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Tiviakov and the Worall

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Narmi_Helas

Why does Tiviakov play the Worall consistently even when everyone else says that it is inferior to 6.Re1 in the closed variation?

 

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1466542

DrawMaster

I guess if you can get a draw against Carlsen with it, it can't be too bad:

http://www.chessdom.com/corus-2010/tiviakov-carlsen-corus

Smile

ThrillerFan

It also avoids certain lines, like the Open Variation (1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.O-O Nxe4), for example.

6.Re1 is probably better than 5.Qe2 in the sense that 5.Qe2 is probably +0.15 while 6.Rb1 is more like +0.25.  Not like one wins, and the other is busted.

ThrillerFan
pfren wrote:

Everybody prefers currently playing d3 instead of Qe2, for a good reason: the ...d5 lines against the Worrall are extremely comfortable for Black- white never manages to set the type of central bind he's envisioning.

5.d3 allows ...Bc5 from Black, while the more popular 5.0-0 Be7 6.d3 allows the Open Spanish, as well as the Arkhangelsk. But still, it's a fully respectable way to play, and surely enough needing way less memorization than the regular closed Ruys.

Oh, and it also avoids the inevitable draw after 5.0-0 Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 0-0 8.c3 d5!


Well, you don't have to allow the Marshall if you do play the main lines.  If Black plays 7...O-O instead of 7...d6, there are anti-Marshall lines, the most common being 8.a4 and 8.h3

Narmi_Helas

Wait, white has absolutely nothing in the Marshall? What about d3 instead of d4 which is apparently better for white? 

Narmi_Helas

So if white wants a full point they should avoid the Marshall?

Narmi_Helas

So if black wants a full point is the archangel line or breyer defence good alternatives then?

TwoMove

In the 6d3 line, which also noticed a lot of FIDE 2700+ are playing recently, do you have any ideas how to respond to d6, avoiding the weakening b5 for a few moves? Have quite a few annotated examples of high level games after immediate 6...b5, but none against idea mentioned.

Narmi_Helas
pfren wrote:

Oh, and of course there is also the Berlin, where theory does not matter very much, but rather the positional understanding of the players.

So does that mean that the berlin wall is not the boring drawing weapon that people say it is?

TwoMove

Thank you pfren will check those out.

Narmi_Helas

That's awesome! Thanks for all your help pfren! Laughing