Twobit wrote:
Does misspelling have any predictive value of sloppiness while playing the game? A "tis" here, a missed knight fork there?
No.
Spelling, punctuation
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Werlknack wrote:
Has a teecher in Anglisch gramma I sai sbeling iss quit olrite in chessss.kom, it is mor the bed chess I am worri abaud - dai and nites has wel
Sounds familiar! ;)
TMIMITW wrote:
This has bothered me for some time...
I consistently come across forum posts that are difficult to read. Some are in text type, with everything abbreviated, and some are simply illegible-some both.
This is especially disturbing when the poster is from an English speaking country.
To the others, I appreciate the effort you make.
Therein lies the rub. There are some that try, with some difficulty, to express their views in a language other than their own.
Then, there are those of us raised "learning" English, that choose to murder the language, and, make it that much more difficult for others to understand.
If you are spending your time on a chess site, the 5 seconds you will save by writing erratically doesn't really matter-except to the people that (try to ) read it.
These forum posts post a reflection of you. One can certainly "hide" on the internet, but no one is taken seriously (even when joking) if a post looks like it is from a 1st grader.
I agree. Sometimes there's alot of useful information in a post but I just have to try too hard to read it. When people write in decent and normal english I can identify all the info I want in considerably less time (3 times, maybe 4 times as fast).
They say the human brain needs about 10% capacity to understand written or spoken language, so there is still 90% to work out the errors in real time. In fact, an error rich text will demand more attention and will be remembered better due to this.
A strategy I often employ is simply to ignore posts that aren't well written. I've learned through experience that if it isn't worth a person's time to write properly, it probably isn't worth my time to decipher his gibberish. But if a person is from a country where English isn't the primary language, I usually cut him some slack.
4 34 9 777 ( damn, i misnumbered again ! )
Twobit wrote:
In fact, an error rich text will demand more attention and will be remembered better due to this.
Or, ignored.
spelling, punctuation? but, is communication not more about exchanging thoughts i.s.o exchanging # perferct english language# ? does not the contents count as more important than a # perfect spelling#?
LuaCheia wrote:
is communication not more about exchanging thoughts
Yes, and that is one of the points I make. The thoughts you speak of must be communicated clearly.
yes, that I understood. but what I mean, if one knows some message will be perfectly clear to the ones reading it, so, why at that point bother with a perfect spelling in addition? we live in very fast times (cell-phones, twitter, I=pads etc), what one can exchange as thoughts in just 4 words (if understabdable!) equals some 3 full sentences telling exactly the same, then I presume we should go for the first, since the contents of the message counts (and time goes fast)
TMIMITW wrote:
This has bothered me for some time...
I consistently come across forum posts that are difficult to read. Some are in text type, with everything abbreviated, and some are simply illegible-some both.
This is especially disturbing when the poster is from an English speaking country.
To the others, I appreciate the effort you make.
Therein lies the rub. There are some that try, with some difficulty, to express their views in a language other than their own.
Then, there are those of us raised "learning" English, that choose to murder the language, and, make it that much more difficult for others to understand.
If you are spending your time on a chess site, the 5 seconds you will save by writing erratically doesn't really matter-except to the people that (try to ) read it.
These forum posts post a reflection of you. One can certainly "hide" on the internet, but no one is taken seriously (even when joking) if a post looks like it is from a 1st grader.
I find it difficult to read your text, as even though it's short, it's still divided into 8 paragraphs with an empty line between each.
Bodhiwan wrote:
TMIMITW wrote:
This has bothered me for some time...
I consistently come across forum posts that are difficult to read. Some are in text type, with everything abbreviated, and some are simply illegible-some both.
This is especially disturbing when the poster is from an English speaking country.
To the others, I appreciate the effort you make.
Therein lies the rub. There are some that try, with some difficulty, to express their views in a language other than their own.
Then, there are those of us raised "learning" English, that choose to murder the language, and, make it that much more difficult for others to understand.
If you are spending your time on a chess site, the 5 seconds you will save by writing erratically doesn't really matter-except to the people that (try to ) read it.
These forum posts post a reflection of you. One can certainly "hide" on the internet, but no one is taken seriously (even when joking) if a post looks like it is from a 1st grader.
I find it difficult to read your text, as even though it's short, it's still divided into 8 paragraphs with an empty line between each.
Touche. Thanks for making me laugh!
TMIMITW wrote:
Touche. Thanks for making me laugh!
Cheers :) Aside from non native English writers, I think the problem lies mostly in people expressing themselves differently than not caring about grammar, which kinda also renders the problem itself moot.
Unless completely off the chart of regular grammar, I think it's more up to the reader to learn the many different, shall we say, dialects of the written word. Better to evolve yourself than expecting others to evolve into you :)
Bodhiwan wrote: Unless completely off the chart of regular grammar
That's the biggest problem. Plus, many Americans don't want to take the time to make their message clear. If I'm sending a text to a friend 5 miles away, he or she will easily understand what I write. But, on a worldwide site like this, I would think people would try to make sure their idea is understood, especially when there are so many here whose native tongue is not English.
TMIMITW wrote:
Bodhiwan wrote: Unless completely off the chart of regular grammar
That's the biggest problem. Plus, many Americans don't want to take the time to make their message clear. If I'm sending a text to a friend 5 miles away, he or she will easily understand what I write. But, on a worlwide site like this, I would think people would try to make sure their idea is understood, especially when there are so many here whose native tongue is not English.
you strike me as a person when playing chess even wondering # if he performs his move, whether he puts the piece in a 'correctly' way on the destination square# but is such of any importance important at all? Is the value of the move itself, made (and analyses spent to it) not far more important? (read contents of messages) I opine not. A lot of people (including myself) type in the text and they do not bother to check it, as long as the message is clear. And remember, politicians often use 10 sentences for something that could be said in just 4 words. I once read, that in the past (no computers there) all invoices were written by hand, and they even selected people at those times with the best writing capabilities, however, bottom line, # the amount due# was exactly the same as offices now manifacture automatically with computer programms! So, I ask you, what is the real purpose of a language? # the transfer of thoughts from A to B# and nothing more to that. And, as a sideline, maybe most of those communications will be in Chinese (Mandarin) in the future? Does not matter, as long as the message reaches and is fully understood by the recepient
LuaCheia wrote:
TMIMITW wrote:
Bodhiwan wrote: Unless completely off the chart of regular grammar
That's the biggest problem. Plus, many Americans don't want to take the time to make their message clear. If I'm sending a text to a friend 5 miles away, he or she will easily understand what I write. But, on a worlwide site like this, I would think people would try to make sure their idea is understood, especially when there are so many here whose native tongue is not English.
you strike me as a person when playing chess even wondering # if he performs his move, whether he puts the piece in a 'correctly' way on the destination square# but is such of any importance important at all? Is the value of the move itself, made (and analyses spent to it) not far more important? (read contents of messages) I opine not. A lot of people (including myself) type in the text and they do not bother to check it, as long as the message is clear. And remember, politicians often use 10 sentences for something that could be said in just 4 words. I once read, that in the past (no computers there) all invoices were written by hand, and they even selected people at those times with the best writing capabilities, however, bottom line, # the amount due# was exactly the same as offices now manifacture automatically with computer programms! So, I ask you, what is the real purpose of a language? # the transfer of thoughts from A to B# and nothing more to that. And, as a sideline, maybe most of those communications will be in Chinese (Mandarin) in the future? Does not matter, as long as the message reaches and is fully understood by the recepient
Your post makes my point. What are all the #'s for?
Your last sentence really tells the story. Your post, and some others, cannot be understood. Therefore, there is no exchange of thoughts or ideas.
....is this difficult to read ???....
....or may i leave out thoughts that i would not care to openly express ?...
....so hard to please...
...( he cries for the failure )...
....
TMIMITW wrote:
LuaCheia wrote:
TMIMITW wrote:
Bodhiwan wrote: Unless completely off the chart of regular grammar
That's the biggest problem. Plus, many Americans don't want to take the time to make their message clear. If I'm sending a text to a friend 5 miles away, he or she will easily understand what I write. But, on a worlwide site like this, I would think people would try to make sure their idea is understood, especially when there are so many here whose native tongue is not English.
you strike me as a person when playing chess even wondering # if he performs his move, whether he puts the piece in a 'correctly' way on the destination square# but is such of any importance important at all? Is the value of the move itself, made (and analyses spent to it) not far more important? (read contents of messages) I opine not. A lot of people (including myself) type in the text and they do not bother to check it, as long as the message is clear. And remember, politicians often use 10 sentences for something that could be said in just 4 words. I once read, that in the past (no computers there) all invoices were written by hand, and they even selected people at those times with the best writing capabilities, however, bottom line, # the amount due# was exactly the same as offices now manifacture automatically with computer programms! So, I ask you, what is the real purpose of a language? # the transfer of thoughts from A to B# and nothing more to that. And, as a sideline, maybe most of those communications will be in Chinese (Mandarin) in the future? Does not matter, as long as the message reaches and is fully understood by the recepient
Your post makes my point. What are all the #'s for?
Your last sentence really tells the story. Your post, and some others, cannot be understood. Therefore, there is no exchange of thoughts or ideas.
That is not fully accurate and precise what you stated, in my opinion. There was indeed a real sharing of thoughts in my message(!), maybe I better explain in more detail:
Times change, and the way we people communicate changes (and very fast!), talking about Twitter, I-phones, I-pads, it all speeds up very fast. The English language? Being incorporated in many world languages, often with abbreviations. But why not? Language is only a 'tool' nothing more and nothing less, to transfer thoughts from A to B, and if such fully succeeds, well, then the goal is reached. I however must agree with you re your statement that there are some boundaries, meaning, people should not make it 'too crazy' when using language, again, the purpose is that others fully understand your message.
My comments you state you do not understand? Well, that is not due to the language, that has to due with 'understanding in depth' but such does not conern the writings and the language used, it concerns the digesting of it all with the 'MIND', but that is a fully other subject. Kind regards, me
I actually think it doesn't matter all that much, most people (it's been scientifically proven) can scan a paragraph containing words with their letters all jumbled and still know exactly what it says. these forums are rather informal no? I, personally, could care less if people make typos spelling, grammatical and/or syntax errors within posts, as long as they are conveying a clear idea. actually I think a post with various mispellings, bad grammar etc but with a good, interesting idea is worth way more than a perfectly composed, grammatically correct piece of writing that is essentially saying absolutely nothing. also I think most people realize that people would write differently, be more careful, if it was something serious and formal. the context here is basically a sprawling youtube comments section without the videos, really. what do you expect? I think you being a tiny tiny bit ridiculous, it shouldn't bother you as much it apparently does.
Does misspelling have any predictive value of sloppiness while playing the game? A "tis" here, a missed knight fork there?