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Stalemate rule needs to go!


  • 21 months ago · Quote · #121

    Likhit1

    Why are people still arguing?Clearly,the OP posted a fake game with a clear intention of trolling

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #122

    ymmit_naahais

    It is white's mistake that the game does not go to white's side. Why we should point our finger at the stalemate rule? If you do not want a stalemate, avoid it!

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #123

    TheGrobe

    And that's just it - if you don't have sufficient control to definitively beat your opponent you really don't deserve the win.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #124

    theoreticalboy

    batgirl wrote:

    This topic went on and on ad nauseum for 79 pages of 90% idiocy once before HERE and then again for 40 more pages HERE (until it was mercifully locked).  I'm sure, if everyone would peruse those pages, they would realize that there's nothing more worthwhile, or ridiculous, to add and would become sufficiently tired of the topic never to mention it again outside their most hideous nightmares and that  chess.com would enter a state of bliss and calmness unknown since this topic was first brought to light from under its rock.

    On the other hand, thems were some pretty darned entertaining threads at times.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #125

    BattleManager

    I though this was discussed in a similar thread but it is back...

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #126

    TheGrobe

    To be clear, though, the 10% that wasn't idiocy and whatever subset of the whole that was "pretty darned entertaining" were mutually exclusive.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #127

    netzach

    Coincidentally this subject cropped up today during the commentary to round 5, London 2013 Candidates.

    From approx 04:00:35 onwards can hear what was said:

    http://new.livestream.com/WorldChess/Round5/videos/14302251

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #128

    Bill_C

    I like bacon wrapped suasage dogs.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #129

    Stevie65

    Stale bread with currents n' raisins covered in a Daeth custard  opening...Oh! and a nice cup of tea!

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #130

    netzach

    Cup of tea & pkt of pickled-onion Monster-munch sounds good.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #131

    Stevie65

    what about a nice bulbas salad dipped in a hot n' spicey Jempty dip, all in a hoinky rap.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #132

    Stevie65

    Has yours got a name zach?

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #133

    netzach

    Not yet Stevie. But am going to invint one soon.

  • 20 months ago · Quote · #134

    astrodisaster

    netzach wrote:

    Coincidentally this subject cropped up today during the commentary to round 5, London 2013 Candidates.

    From approx 04:00:35 onwards can hear what was said:

    http://new.livestream.com/WorldChess/Round5/videos/14302251

    Cool, thanks for the link. I do agree that it would be pretty fun to see a GM tournament with a one-off rule that delivering stalemate is a win, and just see how the players deal with it. Has it never been done?

  • 20 months ago · Quote · #135

    Ubik42

    Also, a rule that says if you agree to a draw then its a win.

  • 20 months ago · Quote · #136

    katonali

    By logic stalemate rules need to be changed.

    The idea of check and mate, is not to completely change chess with a new rule, its just something made to make impossible to players to make some mistake that would make them lose the game when the game could continue. 

    So, the player would make the move and lose, but other moves that he could have made would not result in a loss, so the game is ending by pure mistake.

    Thats why, if the player enemy is attacking the player king but would not be able to move to the place because it would put him into check, it still count as check. This happens because on normal chess game, this enemy player would be able to capture the king and win.

     

    On the stalemate situation all moves the player can make will make him lose the game, so if he makes some move and lose its not a mistake, because there was no other move that would make him not lose* and so he is not losing by a stupid mistake.

    *Unless he request draw and the other player accept. 

    So, stalemate should be a win for the other player.

    BUT...... chess is usually played with timed rules, so it would be possible to happen this situation:

    A guy is stalemated (forget check rules now) and make the move, but then on the next turn the enemy time runs out before he capture the king.

    So, there is a way to not lose on a stalemated situation if you are on timed chess.

     

    Based on that we need two rules  to different chess types.

    If  the chess is not timed, when on a stalemated position you can request draw, if he not accept (most likely), you lose.

     

    If chess is timed a different is needed:

    If you are on a stalemated position, you need to make some move (or request draw) or the time will run out and you will lose , then the enemy player will need request draw or make some move (and so capture your piece) before the time runs out of he will lose the game.

     

    While thinking about those rules this made me think about the check rules, check is a win but, this doenst means the other guy would be fast enought to capture your piece before he runs out of time. So, in theory a similar rule need to be made to the check rules.


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