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What is the endgame etiquette?

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Hunter5117

I just finished a game where it came down to king & pawn for both myself and my opponent. We raced to queen and he got there first, but I was on H7 with my pawn, and my king was on H6 or there abouts. 

His king was across the board. 

So, I was able to stand him off, protecting my pawn with my king and avoiding checkmate. To my mind we were in stalemate and I offered a draw which he refused. He said I should resign, which I refused. He was behind on time so I could have let the clock run out. He finally let me queen and it ended in a forced draw. 

After the forced draw, he cursed me out for not resigning.

Should I have resigned in this situation? I felt justified in keeping my position and waiting to see if he might blunder. Or accepting a draw which I felt was fair. 

TheronG12

If he can't beat you, he doesn't deserve to win.

Hunter5117

Thanks guys, thats what I thought too.

varelse1

That position is a known draw. And has been for centuries. Going back to the Renaissance.

You would have to be crazy to resign in a drawn position.

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That aside, even if it was a winnable position, it is up to the player to actually win it. If he cannot win it, then how can it be called winnable?

Hunter5117
DarklingSalmon wrote:

Your opponent actually had a lot of chances to win, just didn't know how to play a K+Q v.K+P end game. You did well to earn a draw.

He needed his king in the mix and since he was about 6 squares away, he had no chance to get there without me queening. I agree this was an obvious draw and like I said offered and would have accepted if he had offered. Anyways, thanks, lifes too short and its only chess.

varelse1

Hunter

Salmon was talking about earlier. Like when your pawn was on h6. All black had to play was Qh7, then take his sweet time marching his king over.

Once your pawn was on h7, the draw was secure. Yes.

adumbrate

Why resign when you can draw?

Colin20G

The etiquette is that the right moment for someone to resign is when that person really wants to, not when his opponent feels entitled to something.

plutonia

If the same position is repeated 3 times than it's a draw. You have to claim it. When the position appears on the board for the third time, press the button "offer draw" and instead of actually offering the draw the system will automatically force the draw.

Jion_Wansu

Reminds me of when I am playing limit Texas hold 'em and they say, why didn't you fold???

NewArdweaden

He could only curse himself for throwing away a winning position.

TitanCG

Some K+Q v K+P endgames really are draws. I think it's the a, c, f and h pawns as long as the opponents king is far away. It would be awesome to sac a bunch of stuff and snag a draw like that.

Jion_Wansu

It wasn't winning. It was a draw to begin with by king+pawn versus king+pawn

Pulpofeira

Anyway, as Varelse spotted, you can't claim a win only by achieving a winable position. I wonder how is chess attracts so many whiners, being a game where you can't blame other than yourself about your faliures.

Humpty48544
Jion_Wansu wrote:

It wasn't winning. It was a draw to begin with by king+pawn versus king+pawn

The K+P versus K+P positions in the OP’s game are all winning for Black, not a draw.  Soon after Black’s pawn was promoted to a queen, Black blundered and lost a winning position.

dianajones

Top levels like Nakamura and Carlsen play till the very end...

Hunter5117
varelse1 wrote:

Hunter

Salmon was talking about earlier. Like when your pawn was on h6. All black had to play was Qh7, then take his sweet time marching his king over.

Once your pawn was on h7, the draw was secure. Yes.

Yes that is correct.He blundered at move 76. Once he let me get to h7 then it was a draw.

Hunter5117
plutonia wrote:

If the same position is repeated 3 times than it's a draw. You have to claim it. When the position appears on the board for the third time, press the button "offer draw" and instead of actually offering the draw the system will automatically force the draw.

Ok thats good to know. I was wondering why the system didnt automatically declare the draw because we definitely repeated 3x at least a couple of times. Next time I will know, thanks.

Does the system track the 50 move rule in the same way? We also went past that as well.

MSC157

It s a bad endgame etiquette - asking to resign. All the best OP!

Hunter5117

Thanks again everyone. I don't want to be an a%$ when I play but to me situations like this are what the game is all about. Working out a puzzle and taking advantage of situations to improve your position. I have laughed at myself many times when I did something similar. Never occured to me to curse at my opponent when I blunder.