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Umer488

I played this game at instantchess.com. I was experimenting with this trap and recoded every game in my mobile this is the first application. I finally decided to use the trap when I saw,

1. My opponent doubled his pawns at the kingside

2. Castled the king when there was no real protection (Castling is meant to PROTECT the king I think)

After trap everything was forced, there was no other choice I think...

 

 

LAST WORDS, post your games with traps , I want to learn them...

karatekitte

1. The gambit gave no compensation

2. That game is riddled with errors

3. You can take the bishop with the queen, preventing the doubling of pawns

4. There is no trap. Qa5+ just loses a tempo for you, and yes Bd2 is MUCH better, and it helps a lot if the white castles queenside

5. If you want to learn traps with the Sicilian, there aren't very many (if any at all).

6. If you want to learn about traps, I would recommend Batgirl's blog series on the subject.

Sorry if I am being a bit harsh, it is just that in text being harsh is one of the many mainstream ways to learn.

Umer488
karatekitte wrote:

1. The gambit gave no compensation

2. That game is riddled with errors

3. You can take the bishop with the queen, preventing the doubling of pawns

4. There is no trap. Qa5+ just loses a tempo for you, and yes Bd2 is MUCH better, and it helps a lot if the white castles queenside

5. If you want to learn traps with the Sicilian, there aren't very many (if any at all).

6. If you want to learn about traps, I would recommend Batgirl's blog series on the subject.

Sorry if I am being a bit harsh, it is just that in text being harsh is one of the many mainstream ways to learn.

It is clearly written by me in the first post that my opponent did errors. A trap is always against the chess rules (of good and sound moves) because it is a trap and it does not follow the standard strategy, moreover if it fails the one who initiated it suffers alot. Secondly, my dear brother, it is not only harsh, what you say is non sense. Although I ask for pardon, because I am just a worm or may be an ant with 1200 approx, but I can ask you the simple and logical question which I feel you should answer logically as well.

Have you ever heard of the grandmaster's discussions on 'White's advantage'? If not then please search for it. Your words speak of tempo, I believe then, that you know about it that white has advantage in tempo (if it keeps on selecting right moves). This concludes that white should win the game of chess if both players make the right moves. Moreover, if black doesn't make a bad move, and all its moves are also of the same power against the white, then the game should go draw. Why? because chess has no weakness, it is not a game of dice or chances. That's what many grandmasters are discussing today. But one things in the premises is sure, that black cannot win in chess (unless white makes a bad move). So my opinion is that every chess game that is not resulted in draw has some, or one, mistake(s) by either player, otherwise it will prove that chess is not a balanced game, but a one-sided one. Either you are white, or black you can win chess. Because you can decieve your opponent by not following the rules (standard rules), for example, you make a winning pawn structure and sacrifice your queen. If you ask someone he will say that is a mistake, but when he sees the game he will appreciate the strategy of not sacrifice and luring the opponent.

To sum up, I say: "There is no chess game which is free from errors (from any side) if it is a finished game (not drawn). If there are no errors, game should be a draw" and I must say, traps are always set when your opponent makes a BIG and CLEAR mistakes, or else he can always recover to a good position.

doctor_seuss

interestin game...congratulations

Umer488
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GreenCastleBlock
pfren wrote:

So... where is the trap?

I cannot see any... just a series of unprovoked blunders by both sides.

The trap is that any time spent looking for the trap will be sealed away in the void and never regained.

Umer488
pfren wrote:

So... where is the trap?

I cannot see any... just a series of unprovoked blunders by both sides.

you can say it, sir. For us beginners guidance from players like you is always beseeched. Please enlighten some blunders of black...Thanks, I believe there are many made by me...

GreenCastleBlock
Umer488 wrote:
pfren wrote:

So... where is the trap?

I cannot see any... just a series of unprovoked blunders by both sides.

you can say it, sir. For us beginners guidance from players like you is always beseeched. Please enlighten some blunders of black...Thanks, I believe there are many made by me...

Okay, for starters, 3..d6, allowing White to take on c5, is not best.  You should play 3...cxd4.  This establishes the halfopen c file and the central pawn majority that is a staple of all Open Sicilian lines.

The gambit you played in the game is ridiculous.  6.Be2 followed by 7.Nc3 and, in addition to being down a pawn, you have a weak square on d5 with no corresponding strengths.

mauriciolopezsr

There is NO trap! You just got lucky! Don't try it again, specially if you are playing with someone that have basic understanding of chess!

Umer488

Thanks, GreenCastleBlock, I believe you are right...and it means my opponent lost but I didn't win. pfren, what are you expecting from a beginner vs. beginner. For me it was a trap, oh, 'most accurately' a mating attack. what do you say now?

Gambitknight

Moving beyond the labeling controversy to the rest of the game, from the moment white castled, I found the game to be quite impressive.  That was a very well executed king hunt.  Congratulations.

johnyoudell

I agree. Nicely played.

Incidentally I suggest you rein in your enthusiasm for traps. Received wisdom is to assume your opponent is going to play accurately.  If you focus on finding good plans to improve your position and recognising an error by your opponent when it is made you can leave it to them to find the opportunity for the error.

Gambitknight

pfren:  I just thought with the wide open hole on the g file it invited an attack.  Horrible was probably the wrong word (and with that in mind I just edited it out), but it just struck me as extremely risky at first glance.  In all likelihood, you're right that it is best in this situation, but personally, I would not be comfortable with my king that open.

Umer488
pfren wrote:

I don't see anything bad happening to white by simple defensive means like 11.Kh1.

Castling was perfectly OK, the real lemon was 11.f4? which is a weakening move indeed.

You are indeed right. When I analyzed 11. f4 in chessmaster, it also said 11. Kh1 is better. also I played the game again (analyzed from both sides), and here it is

Also in first game,
what is your opinion on 5. Be2, because I would have played it in this situation, and also 8. Bd2... or simple 8. Qd2 instead of 8. Nc3 and 8. c3.

I am eager to get a comment

sebastiancremor
No trap
Umer488

There is no trap which can be applied in every game. Trap depends on the mistake of the opponent and without his mistake there is no trap. Why don't you guys understand this? If there was an invincible trap then everyone who used it would win instantly, even against a grandmaster...I posted the game only to get it analyzed, and many good players suggested the weaknesses of my moves, (to them I am very thankful).Please don't say it "no trap" just point the weaknesses and the chess material only.

MonsterTactics

As was stated above there was no trap, just a serious of bad moves played.