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Best Defensive Chess Player


  • 22 months ago · Quote · #21

    ThrillerFan

    nameno1had wrote:

    I am curious of Karpov's percentage....He was known for defense...

    No, Kasparov is best known for his attacking ability, not his defense.

    Kasparov was known for the fact that he went a stretch in the 90s where he literally lost like, 1 game, in about a 5 to 7 year stretch as White.  It was a game in 1996 or 1997 if my memory serves me right.

    However, Kasparov has lost numerous times with Black.  His Defense is actually quite poor compared to other World Champions.

    Even in Everyman's "Chess Secrets" series, which cover 5 former GMs (only 3 in the case of Attacking players) that are strong in a certain aspect.  For example, Kaprov and Nimzovich are best known for their positional play and strategy.  Kasparov, along with Tal and Stein, are best known for their ability to Attack, and hence why they are the ones in the Great Attackers book in the Chess Secrets series.

  • 22 months ago · Quote · #22

    Scottrf

    ^^ Karpov.

    But yeah maybe Kasparov would have a low loss rate simply because he so rarely had to defend worse positions.

  • 22 months ago · Quote · #23

    SmyslovFan

    The statistics are interesting. And they are useful to cull some candidates, but they don't answer the question definitively. Kasparov was rarely in a defensive position. Even he admitted he wasn't as good defending tough positions as Karpov was.

    Thanks for providing the list.

  • 22 months ago · Quote · #24

    nameno1had

    ThrillerFan wrote:
    nameno1had wrote:

    I am curious of Karpov's percentage....He was known for defense...

    No, Kasparov is best known for his attacking ability, not his defense.

    Kasparov was known for the fact that he went a stretch in the 90s where he literally lost like, 1 game, in about a 5 to 7 year stretch as White.  It was a game in 1996 or 1997 if my memory serves me right.

    However, Kasparov has lost numerous times with Black.  His Defense is actually quite poor compared to other World Champions.

    Even in Everyman's "Chess Secrets" series, which cover 5 former GMs (only 3 in the case of Attacking players) that are strong in a certain aspect.  For example, Kaprov and Nimzovich are best known for their positional play and strategy.  Kasparov, along with Tal and Stein, are best known for their ability to Attack, and hence why they are the ones in the Great Attackers book in the Chess Secrets series.

    I didn't misspell Kasparov....I was intentionally referring to Anatoly Karpov...the Karpov that Fischer was accussed of ducking...He was a positional defensive player...

  • 22 months ago · Quote · #25

    SmyslovFan

    If I were composing an Olympic team for the ages and absolutely needed a draw on top board as Black, I'd choose Vladimir Kramnik first.

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #26

    sestoelemento

    PinkMistzAsf wrote:

    Tal, maybe?

    Tal is considered to be the best attacker!

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #27

    Steve212000

    Petrosian,Karpov,Kramnik

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #28

    The_Aggressive_Bee

    Steve212000 wrote:

    " Petrosian,Karpov,Kramnik"

    I agree with petrosian but karpov and kramnik are both very aggressive, attacking players

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #29

    Steve212000

    Karpov aggressive??

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #30

    nameno1had

    Steve212000 wrote:

    Petrosian,Karpov,Kramnik

    +1 and in that order ....

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #31

    The_Aggressive_Bee

    Both karpov and kramnik are just not in the same way as tal or fischer

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #32

    nameno1had

    sestoelemento wrote:
    PinkMistzAsf wrote:

    Tal, maybe?

    Tal is considered to be the best attacker!

    Not that I particularly enjoy arguments, and creating chaos by trying make everything that is black and white become a paradoxical shade of grey, it is often said, the best defense is a good offensive...and Tal's was most likely the best...

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #33

    duck29

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigran_Petrosian

    Petrosian's style of play, although highly successful for avoiding defeats, was criticized as being dull. Chess enthusiasts saw his "ultraconservative" style as an unwelcome contrast to the popular image of Soviet chess as "daring" and "indomitable".[30] Fellow Soviet chess grandmaster and personal friend Mikhail Tal described Petrosian as "cowardly", out of frustration that this eminent tactician so rarely showed the chessworld what he was capable of. His 1971Candidates Tournament match with Viktor Korchnoi featured so many monotonous draws that the Russian press began to complain. However, Svetozar Gligorić described Petrosian as being "very impressive in his incomparable ability to foresee danger on the board and to avoid any risk of defeat."[23] Petrosian responded to his criticisms by saying "They say my games should be more 'interesting'. I could be more 'interesting'—and also lose."[4] Petrosian was, in the words of future World Champion Vladimir Kramnik, "the first defender with a capital D".[

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #34

    chessBBQ

    Aside from Petrosian,Lasker and Steinitz also comes to mind.

    But Carlsen is getting more impressive with his defense.And he doesnt play not to lose unlike Petrosian.

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #35

    strngdrvnthng

    pfren wrote:

    Ulf the Wolf.

    Petrosian was NOT a defensive player- he had superb defensive abilities, but his style was both positional and "aggressive".

    Thank you, well said.

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #36

    Estragon

    Stats mean very little.  One could have a lower "losing percentage" by taking fewer risks, being highly proficient in endgames, or by playing a weaker average opponent.

    The real test would be the win-draw-loss percentage in games against players within 200 points of their rating AFTER being down a pawn (or the positional equivalent of -1.00 by Houdini or another strong engine).  That would illustrate defensive results. 

     

    My own list would include the most fearsome counterattackers, Lasker, Rubinstein, Alekhine, Keres, Korchnoi, Karpov, Kasparov, Ivanchuk, and Anand.

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #37

    kiwi

    "Best defence is attack." <-- Who said that..?

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #38

    RONALD_A

    Better solution for black are:
    15.Ba6+ Ka4
    16.Nxc6 and so on, like simulator below:


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