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Bouglerie

Dec 11, 2013

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#741

ifoody wrote:

Isn't borislav a combination between borris gelfand and slav defense?

As things going on, more like a cross between a masochist and a weasel.

SocialPanda

Dec 11, 2013

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#742

qablo wrote:

Press official note from the organization:

http://www.ajedrezsantaisabel.com/Notaprensaivanov.pdf

Short translation: After the round 4, he was checked in a room, specially the shoes, and didn´t find anything on them. In the next round, he was playing with coat and scarf on in a warm room and also some players noticed some kind of shape on his back.After the game, one angry player catched him and, while holding him, he asked him: what are you hiding on the back? He said something in bulgarian, but manage to scape and run away from the playing area. The player said that he touched something similar to a mp3 player.

The next day, before the round, he was again ask for a search. In a next by room, the director of the tournament -which is as well a retired policeman- searched on him with clothes on, but when he was around the chest he found something close to his left-armpit, but in this moment, Ivanov just retreated back quickly and one button of his shirt just opened up and the director manage to see some kind of tape crosing around his chest. Ivanov refused to clarify what was that and refused to continue with the search. Then he was eject from the tournament.

The guy told the organizator that he was very low on money and he gave him 50€ as a charity action.

I found here a complete translation (better than mine by far):

https://www.facebook.com/groups/141553385913043/permalink/575407752527602/

Finalmente!!!

It was looking as if the Tournament organizers just didn´t have anything to do with Ivanov (like if they didn´t want to associate his tournament with cheating), but in the end they decide to talk.

LoekBergman

Dec 11, 2013

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#743

FirebrandX wrote:

A friend of mine brings up an interesting point concerning the following:

Ivanov said that he would voluntarily leave the event, requesting that his entry fee be returned as he did not have enough money to return home.

So if Ivanov went to the tournament without enough money to get back home, doesn't that mean he "knew" he was going to finish in the money?

The major problem with that line of reasoning is that you believe a cheater on his words.

LoekBergman

Dec 12, 2013

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#744

He can be broke indeed, but there are things I don't understand in that situation.

How can he travel abroad when he is really broke?

How can he imagine to get away with the money after all previous publications?

Is he still believing that people will believe in his innocence?

How can he imagine that this is the best way out of his situation?

I don't know if his employment suffers from the affairs around his person. That would be quite strange, because there is no direct link between his work and his chess activities. If he is employed then is his employer paying him for his programming skills, not for his chess games. I don't think you can fire someone for his outdoor activities (he is still not convicted for cheating), but you can put him on the list of people to be fired first when there is a reorganisation and a lot of people have to go.

Irontiger

Dec 12, 2013

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#745

FirebrandX wrote:

A friend of mine brings up an interesting point concerning the following:

Ivanov said that he would voluntarily leave the event, requesting that his entry fee be returned as he did not have enough money to return home.

So if Ivanov went to the tournament without enough money to get back home, doesn't that mean he "knew" he was going to finish in the money?

Well, he is a genius much better than Carslen, y'know. It's just that others are jealous.

On a side note, if that guy is broke, then I'm Bill Gates.

ajttja

Dec 12, 2013

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#746

I really think ivanov should challenge "Magnus Carlsen the cybord with no mechanical parts" AKA Carlsen AKA highest rated player in the universe AKA world champion AKA second best player in the universe (right under ivanov)

Swindlers_List

Dec 12, 2013

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#747

LoekBergman wrote:

How can he imagine to get away with the money after all previous publications?

Is he still believing that people will believe in his innocence?

How can he imagine that this is the best way out of his situation?

More likely he just enjoys the attention.

chessBBQ

Dec 12, 2013

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#748

Ivanov is a hero

Heil Ivanov,the second coming,the Messiah of chess !

Swindlers_List

Dec 12, 2013

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#749

chessBBQ wrote:

Ivanov is a hero

Heil Ivanov,the second coming,the Messiah of chess !

I believe he is mentioned several times throughout the bible.

Here, luke speaks of the day Iavnov will grace us with his fiery personality.
Luke 3:16 - John answered, saying unto [them] all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh [ivanov], the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose[again, ivanov]: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:

gambit-man

Dec 13, 2013

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#750

W

gambit-man

Dec 13, 2013

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#751

T

gambit-man

Dec 13, 2013

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#752

F

gambit-man

Dec 13, 2013

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#753

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x-5058622868

Dec 13, 2013

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#754

LoekBergman wrote:

FirebrandX wrote:

A friend of mine brings up an interesting point concerning the following:

Ivanov said that he would voluntarily leave the event, requesting that his entry fee be returned as he did not have enough money to return home.

So if Ivanov went to the tournament without enough money to get back home, doesn't that mean he "knew" he was going to finish in the money?

The major problem with that line of reasoning is that you believe a cheater on his words.

That's true, but i think it's possible that someone with a huge ego could intentionally show up without money for a return trip. However, i don't think that person would beg. I also think someone with a huge ego is more likely to lie about not having the money in order to try and get away with something to preserve that ego. This is in line with people that need to verbally abuse the opponent after losing, stalling the game when losing, or applying other similar tactics because of their hurt egos.

Irontiger

Dec 13, 2013

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#755

Sunshiny wrote:

LoekBergman wrote:

FirebrandX wrote:

A friend of mine brings up an interesting point concerning the following:

Ivanov said that he would voluntarily leave the event, requesting that his entry fee be returned as he did not have enough money to return home.

So if Ivanov went to the tournament without enough money to get back home, doesn't that mean he "knew" he was going to finish in the money?

The major problem with that line of reasoning is that you believe a cheater on his words.

That's true, but i think it's possible that someone with a huge ego could intentionally show up without money for a return trip. However, i don't think that person would beg. I also think someone with a huge ego is more likely to lie about not having the money in order to try and get away with something to preserve that ego. This is in line with people that need to verbally abuse the opponent after losing, stalling the game when losing, or applying other similar tactics because of their hurt egos.

It doesn't need a huge ego to try and steal some money "for your return costs" from people who already hold you in low esteem due to being a cheat and a coward. Just a lack of ethics, which you usually already have.

RulezSuck

Dec 13, 2013

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#756

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x-5058622868

Dec 14, 2013

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#757

Irontiger wrote:

Sunshiny wrote:

LoekBergman wrote:

FirebrandX wrote:

A friend of mine brings up an interesting point concerning the following:

Ivanov said that he would voluntarily leave the event, requesting that his entry fee be returned as he did not have enough money to return home.

So if Ivanov went to the tournament without enough money to get back home, doesn't that mean he "knew" he was going to finish in the money?

The major problem with that line of reasoning is that you believe a cheater on his words.

That's true, but i think it's possible that someone with a huge ego could intentionally show up without money for a return trip. However, i don't think that person would beg. I also think someone with a huge ego is more likely to lie about not having the money in order to try and get away with something to preserve that ego. This is in line with people that need to verbally abuse the opponent after losing, stalling the game when losing, or applying other similar tactics because of their hurt egos.

It doesn't need a huge ego to try and steal some money "for your return costs" from people who already hold you in low esteem due to being a cheat and a coward. Just a lack of ethics, which you usually already have.

True, there would have to be a lack of ethics. Though i think ego is still involved since if he had won, and the prize was a trophy, i doubt he would claim the winner should get a refund, and he had no money for the return trip.

Another thought came to mind. Did he stiff the hotel or wherever he was staying? Assuming he was telling the truth about not having the money to go home, how was he to pay for the hotel fees since he lost?

x-5058622868

Dec 14, 2013

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#758

MaxBrowne_NZ wrote:

In most places you pay for your hotel up front. I don't know how it is in Spain though; I've never stayed at a hotel there. In France and the Netherlands all the hotels at which I've stayed wanted to get paid up front.

Tournaments last for more than a day, right? So if he was paying for his room on a daily basis, he must've brought at least enough money to pay to last to the end of the tournament. Therefore, he should have had the money to go home.

Irontiger

Dec 14, 2013

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#759

Come on, the "I have no change to take the bus" story is laughable.

You need to assume that either he had no credit card on him nor any means to draw money from bank account, or he was so broke that he would have been condemned to stay in Spain and grill tapas until he saved enough, should his shoe have a tehnical glitch.

Both ways, he is demonstrating a huge level of stupidity. But I think he is more dishonest than stupid and just tried a cheap trick to steal tournament money to save the face when the shoe asks him about his tournament.

x-5058622868

Dec 15, 2013

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#760

It is laughable, and i agree that he is more dishonest than stupid.