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Chess experiment: How much does three pints of beer impact your chess ability?

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Irontiger
DrJamesB wrote:
madhacker wrote:

How about we organise a handicap tournament?

Rating Difference     Number of beers drunk by stronger player before game

0 - 99                      0

100 - 199                 1

200 - 299                 2

300 - 399                 3

etc up to a maximum of 10

This is a wonderful idea... However, I feel it is necessary to highlight that it is predicated on the assumption that there is a simple linear decrease in playing strength per beer consumed.  Many of our esteemed colleagues on this thread have suggested that this may not be the case, with, for example, a single beer tending to loosen inhibitions and potentially increase playing strength.  It is unclear if this hypothesis is correct... No data has been posted, but you may want to consider recalibrating your ladder if this is indeed the case...

In all "seriousness", we had the same kind of debate at the chess club a couple of months ago about giving one pawn odds in a blitz game for one minute.

There is no easy way to take pawns out in the opening without giving attacking lines, so we took positions from master games where we could take out a pawn with no obvious strategical implications.

The experimental data looks like for 5 min blitz (but remember, after the opening, so it is more likely that the whole game would be 10 min), one pawn is roughly equivalent to one minute (if the opponent starts with 4 min instead of 5), two pawns are more like 3 min handicap. And three pawns are more than 4 min, but it might just be that the positions we took are so obviously lost after stealing 3 pawns...

 

So, by analogy, I suspect beer vs rating is strongly nonlinear.

Doc_who_loves_chess
checkevrytim wrote:

You could simply test BAC at home with a specific beer, over a certain amount of time. Then drink the same beer (or a beer with the same alcohol content) when you are performing the "experiments" in a public setting. This way, you will have a very close approximation of the BAC.

-Dr. Checkevertim

Quite right Dr. Checkevertim, this would indeed be a most logical approach. However, my personal research space lacks the necessary scientific equipment to ascertain this data, and the current priority for expenditure of the limited funding backing this experiment will most likely be funneled into purchasing the lightly carbonated consumables...

Doc_who_loves_chess
justaguy103 wrote:

Ive found that a beer or two is a good companion to any game of wits :D

Seriously, one beer for me has doesnt seem to have a big negative impact. I  worry a lot less and make moves faster, dont know if its a good thing or not. Now 2 or 3 beers, that seriously starts to hamper my game. I make much more blunders and i seem to be especially weak in seeing discovered attacks. I can still make decent positional moves but tactics are harder and harder the more beers i drink

Yet more anecdotal evidence in support of the theory that the quantity of beer consumed has a non-linear relationship to one's chess ability. Thank you for sharing.

Doc_who_loves_chess
Fingerly wrote:
DrJamesB wrote:

Alas, my esteemed colleagues, we will have to wait for game 2 of this grandious beer/chess experiment.  I spent far too long annotating, uploading and proofing game 1 for your scientific review and my blood alcohol level fell dangerously close to standard physiological concentrations.  In order to maintain strict experimental conditions I am forced to postpone game 2 until I can adequately replicate the exact conditions game 1 was performed under.  However, I want to assuage any mounting fears you may harbor at the lack of an immediate annotated game 2, and assure you, so that you have no doubts, that I remain highly committed and enthusiastic towards gathering significantly more empirical data on this most fundamental of chess-related issues...

I just wanted to point out that the tone of this note, apparently written after a few beers have been consumed and partially processed, is noticeably different from the apparently sober original post.

The sober post is informal with several disjointed parenthetical comments added, while the tipsy post meanders coherently in a more-or-less formal but outdated mode of speech, more in line with what might have been written 80 years ago.

I'd say the second post is easily the better of the two.  What gives?

I now profoundly regret the informal nature of my first post as I do not feel it held sufficient gravitas for such an important research undertaking. As you correctly point out, I only realized in vino (or more specifically fermented malted grain) veritas, that the correct tone for any groundbreaking scientific endeavor of this magnitude was extremely formal and deadly serious...

bean_Fischer

We have drunken opening like this: 1. a4, 2.h4 regardless what black does.

OnStar

I have related experience in this area.

In college, I had a 3 hour Economics final exam.  The class was easy and I understood the material.  I had a party planned for after the test.

I decided not to wait.  I drank 3 or 4 beers before going to my final exam.

There were two problems

1. Stuff that should have been easy, now was not.  I could not think clearly.  Unfortunately for science, I never found out the actual score on the test nor got a chance to look back over it while sober.

2. I had a powerful urge to go to the bathroom.  This is not good in a 3 hour exam.  I managed to get permission to go once, but soon after I had to go again.  I couldn't bring myself to request a second trip to the bathroom in a 3 hour test.  That alone had an affect on my ability to think.

For 30 minute chess games, one trip to the bathroom can be costly.

Doc_who_loves_chess
OnStar wrote:

I have related experience in this area.

In college, I had a 3 hour Economics final exam.  The class was easy and I understood the material.  I had a party planned for after the test.

I decided not to wait.  I drank 3 or 4 beers before going to my final exam.

There were two problems

1. Stuff that should have been easy, now was not.  I could not think clearly.  Unfortunately for science, I never found out the actual score on the test nor got a chance to look back over it while sober.

2. I had a powerful urge to go to the bathroom.  This is not good in a 3 hour exam.  I managed to get permission to go once, but soon after I had to go again.  I couldn't bring myself to request a second trip to the bathroom in a 3 hour test.  That alone had an affect on my ability to think.

For 30 minute chess games, one trip to the bathroom can be costly.

Yes, unfortunate for science indeed. I hope that this event did not fundamentally negatively alter your life-path?

The bathroom issue is indeed a pertinent variable to consider in order to standardize our experimental approach.  For game 1 I did in fact visit the restroom immediate prior to the start of the game, but due to having just rapidly consumed an entire pint of beer just prior to my first move, it was not long before a second trip was warranted.  Luckily for me, both my opponent and I were playing relatively quickly for a 30/0 game that could have lasted up to an hour, and I did not feel physiological stress in this regard... or perhaps I should clarify... I felt significant physiological stress, but this was not due to the need to visit the restroom, but rather the dawning realization that I had already publically committed to making available on this thread an annotated version of an increasingly humiliating game of chess (see Game 1 at the start of this thread)...

Like a glutton for punishment, I have again publically committed to posting another game of inebriated chess, most likely tomorrow.  This may prove embarrassing, but we must make sacrifices for the greater good of our civilization, and to ensure we continue on our slow steady path to enlightenment.

tackleberry

Anything more than the merest whiff of ale - a teeny sip - and my already rather scatty approach to the game goes out the window like a scared moth.

astronomer999

Can't be arsed reading the whole thread, but here's my suggestion for a dynamic handicapping system.....every time you take a piece you have a drink.

Should lead to a better chance of winning for the loser in subsequent games

tackleberry
astronomer999 wrote:

Can't be arsed reading the whole thread, but here's my suggestion for a dynamic handicapping system.....every time you take a piece you have a drink.

Should lead to a better chance of winning for the loser in subsequent games

Cool

SmyslovFan

Congratulations, arsetronomer, you've just (re)invented alcoholic chess!

In the mean time, my avatar has gone all fuzzy. I should ask my cat if he got into the vodka again last night.

ivandh

Interestingly this is probably the most serious discussion on chess.com in years.

PLAVIN81

To win stay away from beer and hard alcoholFrown

Xticks

I poured three beers into my PC. It instantly stopped playing altogether ):

tackleberry

I am prepared to bring a West of England perspective to this discussion by necking a pint of cider.

jspath2339

You guys are doing it wrong. Drink and play chess, but don't play online. Online you look like a friggin idiot, and you guys are only drinking 3 beers. Go get some friends that are around your level in chess to play in person (if they are worse than you drink more than them, if they are better drink less) and have like 8 beers. You'll have some really fun games then.

Rational_Optimist

for a 30 min, the quality of the play was terrible.

Haiku575
jspath2339 wrote:

You guys are doing it wrong. Drink and play chess, but don't play online. Online you look like a friggin idiot, and you guys are only drinking 3 beers. Go get some friends that are around your level in chess to play in person (if they are worse than you drink more than them, if they are better drink less) and have like 8 beers. You'll have some really fun games then.

I think having 8 beers would force a draw in most cases.

winerkleiner
ivandh wrote:

Interestingly this is probably the most serious discussion on chess.com in years.

It has my attention!

astronomer999
jspath2339 wrote:

You guys are doing it wrong. Drink and play chess, but don't play online. Online you look like a friggin idiot, and you guys are only drinking 3 beers. Go get some friends that are around your level in chess to play in person (if they are worse than you drink more than them, if they are better drink less) and have like 8 beers. You'll have some really fun games then.

You're confusing 3 pints with 3 beers, young man. US beer comes in 12 oz cans, I think, so 3 pints is 5 of them. And 5% beer is strongish, so call it 6 cans. Drunk in about an hour or so after a hot days work would certainly have my mood improved