DEEP FRITZ 14

Does anyone know how to set up a game in Deep Fritz 14 as black?

I don't see how I can copy a game I want to analyze into the software if I have to do it only as white...

Yes, start new game

then click on Board tab

then flip board

No, that's not what I meant, altnough i thank you for responding. I was talking about setting up a game already in progress.

When I go to Home- New Game-Position Set up (S)... I find a board that is only set up for white. 

What if I want to set it up for black from a book I'm studying? I don't find anywhere a key or a bottom where I can flip the set up board before I place the pieces...

better yet, a friend said this video (fritz 12) is the same as 14. Let me know

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8AF-z55V6k

I tried to set up a position from Black's point of view and I couldn't figure it out.  If it is possible, since you and I both are having problems, I would say the solution and method is certainly not intuitive.

BryPin's post of the help file confirms it's probably not possible... since how to do this isn't mentioned.

This is another reason why I don't like to pay for commercial software.  The designers apparently didn't think of this simple task and good luck e-mailing them with a fix.  (Shareware and freeware authors, on the other hand, are often readily available and can make a fix immediately.)

One work-around is to set up the position as Black in another piece of software (Scid vs. PC can do this.  How to do it is listed as one of my helpful tips.) and then copy the FEN to memory and then switch back to Fritz and paste the FEN.

set up your board black on top, white on bottom.

select who will be first to move black or white

hit ok then once it is up there click on the BOARD tab then flip the board, now black is on the bottom and white is on top. At any time you can hit S to go into setup if you need to.

Clear as mud?

@ MrEdCollins

don't you wish Fritz would have tutorials on this software? I'm old and this isn't the super easy to use. The have some on Fritz 12 but it would be nice for them to update them.

Bry, thanks for responding again, but I don't think you understand.

KnightSeer and I understand how to flip the board.  But assume, we are inputting a position from a book or a magazine.  The diagram in the magazine might be from Black's point of view, and thus shows Black at the bottom and White at the top. 

If so, when inputting the position into Fritz, it's MUCH easier to input the pieces just as we are looking at it, without having to flip the magazine around, for example.  Yea, we can also input the pieces in the proper squares, but it takes longer because we have to figure out where they go.  It's not a matter of looking at the diagram and duplicating it exactly.

And there should be an easy way to do this.   All it really requires is a FLIP BOARD button in the Position Setup window, so that a1 isn't always in the lower left.

However, in the Position Setup window, there is no apparent way to flip the coordinates.  a1 is always in the lower left and h8 is always in the upper right.  This is true if the user was looking at a1 in the lower left from the main window at moment earlier, or if the user was looking at h8 in the lower left, a moment earlier.

There still might be a way to do it... but I still haven't figured out how.

Edit... wait I might have figured it out. 

When inputting the pieces, when you see a Black piece in the diagram in your book/magazine, I think you can enter a White piece instead.  If you see a White piece in your magazing or book diagram, enter a Black piece instead.  Then click that White<->Black button.

Again, this is not intuitive at all.  And yes, this should be in the tutorial, (and I suspect it probably is, if I looked for it) but something like this shouldn't NEED to be in a tuturoial.  I consider it laziness on the programmer not to include a flip board button in this Position Setup window.

Wait, that's STILL not exactly right.

Anyway, I give up.  Since I don't use Fritz 14, knowing how to do this in this software is not important to me.

Thank you everyone... I'll think of something. Maybe I will look it at the whole thing standing on my head...

My last attempt. Put one black piece and one white piece on the board (I know not the way you want with black on top) then hit ok. THEN flip the board then hit S and go back to finish your setup with it the way you like it. Black on bottom. That's the best I have.

Thanks. It didn't work... I will see if I can write a letter of complain to Chessbase...

No help to you...but I just tried it and it worked for me. Sorry I couldn't be more help.

KnightSeer, just so you know, I still can't get it to work either.

BryPin, here's a short article on the King's Indian Defense right here on chess.com by GM Gserper.  (It's almost four years old.)  Notice all four of the diagrams on the page show Black at the bottom.

Take that very first diagram and assume you want to set up that position in Fritz.  Ideally, to make it as easy as possible, you want to set it up just as you see it... with all of the pieces in those exact squares.  You want to enter the Black pieces at the bottom of the screen and the White pieces at the top of the screen. 

Are you saying you can do this?  If so, I still can't figure out how.  No matter how or when I flip the board, setting it up as I see it puts Black's King ends up on the b1 square, instead of the g8 square where it belongs.

Ok, I did the first one since I'm late for work in about a minute..maybe less.

I looked at you article, flip it, then set up Fritz (clicking black to move so as the article said) then hit ok. Then I flipped the board (or did was it flipped?) I will try another tonight.

Well, good work.  I'm at work as I type this and just for fun of it, I will try AGAIN later tonight after I get home.  But you seem to have figured it out.

You are so correct that is would be MUCH easier to setup the game by just flipping it first. I hope they (fritz) listen to your advise! IF you ever figure out how to find the game you save to reload it, let me know. I did this and lost the game I was playing (no big deal) but you are suppose to be abel to save multiple games and reload them later...I can't figure that out for myself......here is attempt two for the article as promised.

Oh, I understand what you did.  You're flipping the board in the article and then just entering it in Fritz from White's point of view and then flipping it back in Fritz so it's again from Black's point of view when you are done. 

That works for this article, since those chess.com boards can be flipped.

I thought you figured out a way to set it up in Fritz from Black's point of view, as the original posted wanted. For example, pretend you have a static image, like this one, which you might see in a magazine:

Short of turning the magazine upside down, and then looking at upside down pieces as you enter it from White's point of view, I still don't see any other way to enter it in Fritz.

Thanks.