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Possible Moral Dilemma


  • 4 months ago · Quote · #101

    ponz111

    Actually you can test new chess ideas without testing them over the board.

    Fischer thought of a very good line vs the Petroff and he had not used the line over the board. He did not even have computer help but he knew the line was good.

    Now we have computer help and it is quite possible to write a whole  book with the help of data bases of games already played and the help of chess engines and your own abilities.

    If you have a special line or a special variation it is very hard to wait many months or years until you can happen to play the line over the board.

    You could have a master help test some lines out by playing the lines against him on the internet but this is unnecessary.

    There is already a vast amount of information available to help someone write a book with a host of new ideas.  

    While I have written a book with a host of new ideas and novelties--it is very helpful to have someone help you check on your ideas [but not absolutely necessary as I have done it] 

    The old masters did not have such resources and they had little choice but to test their ideas usually via their over the board games.

    If the help is available--certainly it would be helpful to have a helper or co author who could work with you on new ideas in addition to the help you get from data bases and chess engines and your own abilities.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #102

    blueemu

    SPARTANEMESIS wrote:

    I agree with Ponz111.

    Same here. The decision whether to publish or not to publish is a gamble.

    On one side (if your analysis is not yet complete), there is the risk of associating your name with a line that still has a major hole in it, only to see someone else succeed in fixing the hole and getting the credit for making the line truly playable.

    On the other side, there is the risk that any delay might result in being scooped... that someone else might find the line and publish an analysis of it before you do.

    Only the theoretician himself can properly assess these two risks, and decide which course is best.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #103

    helltank

    If I found a forced winning line against the Sicillian(or whatever popular opening you wish to describe), I'd just enter a tournament and beat the asses of anyone who dared brandish a 1...c5 on me. 

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #104

    ponz111

    helltank if you found a forced winning  line vs the Sicillian I would think you were the best player on this planet and several other planets and that you overlooked the chance to become a multi millionaire by just using the line to beat other players in a tournament.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #105

    Dark_N_Stormy_Knight

    Pushing the boundaries of Moral Dilemmas once again:

    Ok, you've been under a big strain, what with the 25 online games you are playing at the moment in your two favorite openings.  You knew you wanted to play certain-certain variation on page xxx in the Ponziani Power book but you wanted to run one certain line against your chess engine.  But now you are 3 (locked in) moves away from the variation and are considering the moral dilemma of doing so now since it is so close to the variaton you meant to study.  What if it was 10 moves?  2 moves, or 1 move away from the variation?   So far as I know, the Chess.com policy only constrains on the move.  So far, I'm sleeping soundly, (no conscience problems).

    Opinion?

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #106

    ponz111

    Yes, there is a possible problem here.  I have had that problem myself. Suggest just to be careful, no more analysis on the chess machine for now as it might lead to a future position.  

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #107

    Elubas

    I generally won't analyze any ongoing game position, that has had 10-15 or more moves played in it give or take (if it's very early in the opening and there are many options this is more of a possible grey area), that could directly arise from it. So for example, I wouldn't analyze a position that came about by me playing out (by myself) 5 moves, move-by-move, from a position I obtained from an ongoing game I am playing. That seems like a good way to err on the side of caution.

    I'm not sure on the exact rules, as that would be hard to determine, but I do think it's courteous to try hard to not make the mistake of looking at computer analysis of a position that will most likely occur soon in one of your games. Or at least don't do so deliberately, but even though we can't always not make accidental mistakes, we can make them much less likely if we take a cautious approach.

    If of course it's really that important to you to analyze a certain line, just resign the on-going game to ensure that you are not making use of an unfair advantage. It's better that the analyzing of the position comes at your expense rather than your opponent's.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #108

    Dark_N_Stormy_Knight

    I agree with you and have been doing exactly that for the same reason, I just wanted another opinion.  


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