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True or False Chess is a Draw with Best Play from Both Sides

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #1801

    Linearts

    ponz111 wrote:

    There is not 100% probability but considering billions of games have been played and not one game was ever won with out someone making an error-I would say the odds of tens of billions of games to 1 is as close to certainty as you will ever get.

    Nothing is absolute determinability. So by that reasoning there are no proven facts.  However I will take my tens of billions to 1 as close to fact as we can get.

    No, that last statement is false. Tic-tac-toe is a 100% draw with perfect moves from both players. There is literally no way to ever win unless your opponent makes a mistake.

    As for chess, it's probably a draw with best play but no one has proven this as a fact (yet).

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #1802

    SmyslovFan

    Linearts wrote:
    ponz111 wrote:

    There is not 100% probability but considering billions of games have been played and not one game was ever won with out someone making an error-I would say the odds of tens of billions of games to 1 is as close to certainty as you will ever get.

    Nothing is absolute determinability. So by that reasoning there are no proven facts.  However I will take my tens of billions to 1 as close to fact as we can get.

    No, that last statement is false. Tic-tac-toe is a 100% draw with perfect moves from both players. There is literally no way to ever win unless your opponent makes a mistake.

    As for chess, it's probably a draw with best play but no one has proven this as a fact (yet).

    Probably. You're right, it hasn't been proven beyond all doubt.

    I am at least 95% sure chess is a draw. Everything we know about chess shows that chess tends to be a draw. I could enumerate the reasons, but after more than 1800 posts, it would just be adding to the noise. 

    Anyone who seriously postulates that chess is not a draw with best play by both sides is either ignorant of the evidence or a troll. There is a preponderance of evidence showing the drawish nature of chess, and absolutely no concrete evidence that shows that white has a winning advantage. 

    There was even a troll who argued that the game could be a forced win from the Black side. 

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #1803

    Ziryab

    Winning is simple: make an error. If your opponent is human, the error will be matched and raised with a more significant error.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #1804

    ponz111

    I am 99.99% sure chess is a draw when neither side makes a mistake.

    Also the Ponziani is not refuted despite my games with Black against that opening.

  • 3 months ago · Quote · #1805

    najdorf96

    Dear ponz,

    It's been an wild ride. A heck of alot of events have happened since (before you'd even declared, definitively in your last quote-99.99%?! sure). Namely, the last WCC where it was an lopsided victory for Magnus. Even these past few events have been categorized as more wins than draws. Meaning, your assessments are obsolete as the iPhone5 or galaxy5. Give it up.

  • 3 months ago · Quote · #1806

    fburton

    How does that follow? Undecided

  • 3 months ago · Quote · #1807

    SmyslovFan

    fburton wrote:

    " How does that follow? "

    It follows four weeks after the previous post.

    It is merely the work of a troll trying to restart a dormant argument.

  • 2 months ago · Quote · #1808

    najdorf96

    "Bump".

    "Merely the work of a troll trying to restart a dormant argument".

    Huh? I hope you weren't referring to me (as the troll) sir. As it is obvious I wasn't trying to restart anything.

    Re:

  • 2 months ago · Quote · #1809

    najdorf96

    Quote #1823...

    namely, where I said, " give it up."

    Cool?

  • 2 months ago · Quote · #1810

    ponz111

    Najdorf96 the recent world championship match helped to confirm my idea that I am 99.99% sure that chess is a draw.

  • 2 months ago · Quote · #1811

    TheGrobe

    As, I'm sure, would any piece of evidence regardless of its actual content.

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