US May have a new Bobby Fischer

Wrong and wrong. Fischer was the youngest in history when he broke the record, Polgar was the youngest when she broke the record, but the current record holder is Sergey Karjakin, about 3 years younger than both of them when he became a GM.

There is a 8 year old in the Philipines at 2300. So Yip is really behind the curve. Seen her video. She is talented. But not Fischer level

Manspider, Thats is impressive about Anton Smirov, He could bring alot of chess pride to Australia! Do you know if he is natual born in Australia, his name sound like Russian? 

When you hear about stories like this, makes me feel something about the game of chess, you either got it or it ain't gona happen if you know what I mean? When I peaked 1550-1600, I hit a brick wall and never could get over or under it, but still love the game and play for enjoyment.

Manfred, your point taken.

Current list of youngest GMs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_prodigy

I believe fide ratings mean more than uscf ratings. Less chance at manipulation. Also, the results in international competitions demonstrate where they are in relation to other youths a lot more than some local uscf tournament directed by a friend of the family while playing against adults that want to see the local kid do well. Playing strangers in more meaningful competition is clearly a better guage than their uscf rating.

Also, someone on here mentioned Sam Sevian & said he was 13. He's 12, he turns 13 on Dec 26, 2013. His fide rating is 2385, uscf 2464.

I looked at the latest ranking of U.S. 9 year olds & there are 5 players higher than her & her fide rating is 1607.We'll see how she does at the world youth tournament if she qualifies, thats a good test.

Wow. I just looked up the info on Anton Smirnov. Thats amazing. He's 2306 & still under 12. He's #1 in the world for under 12.

Who is this supposed 8 year old in the Philipines thats 2300? FM doesn't mean they earned the rating. The FM title is given automatically to the winner of the under 8 world championship if that's what the poster was refering to. But that's also one, single event, & only 11 games I believe. Fide rating is the only one that matters since other ratings can't be compared.

For comparison, Carlsen was 2250 when he turned 12, but he was 2450 when he turned 13.

Sevian was 2180 when he turned 11 and 2343 when he turned 12.

Karjakin, the youngest GM in history was 2206 when he turned 10!! On his 10th birthday! These are fide ratings too, not the fluffy, soft, easier to elevate national ratings like the uscf. He was 2269 at 11 & 2460 on his 12th birthday. He was 2547 on his 13th birthday.

I think Judit polgar was in the 2500's before she turned 13.

So just to compare some of the top players.

Oh yeah, the girl this threads about, Miss Yip, she's currently 1607. Just to compare. Good luck to her.

No. But when Nickolas Nip broke the record for the youngest U.S. master there were all kinds of allegations of strange , special matches & so forth. Some similar allegations were thrown at Kayden Troff but he proved them wrong by showing what he could do in international competition by winning the world under 14 championship among many other events. Good for him.

http://nezhmet.wordpress.com/category/nicholas-nip/ has a few opinions you may deem credible. Nakamura is one of them.

http://nezhmet.wordpress.com/tag/troff/

 I'm not accusing anyone of anything wrong, I'm just relaying concerns of strong GM's & IM's that view these "records" & near records as suspicious. Just the messenger here.

@MrDamonSmith - Are the people you mentioned from the US? As i understand it, FIDE ratings aren't easy to get in the US. That could explain her low FIDE rating.

Yes, they are from the U.S. The real tests will come in the big international events such as the world youth championship. She has to qualify though. Also, big national events are a good test too I believe. I don't know how they pick the top player or players from each age group to go play. For instance, do they average the ratings over a certain period of time? I think thats the best way along with using the average of both the uscf & fide ratings. Or do they just pick a rating list on a certain date & go with that one? Do they pick more than 1 player from each age group? I think they do but I'm not sure. The youth championships in December will be fun to watch, I hope she qualifies.

& her fide rating might not be too up to date if almost all her games are  uscf games.

Averaging the ratings doesn't make sense if a FIDE rating is harder to obtain. How would that work out for those that don't have FIDE ratings?

Edit: Samuel Sevian is the only US chess player on that list. Anton Smirnov is Australian, Sergey Karjakin is from the Ukraine, Polgar -Hungary, Carlsen -Norway.

I believe they ALL have fide ratings at that level. I would think that in becoming top players for their age they would be competing in events that have other top players & a good number of those events are fide rated. This just makes sense but i guess it's possible for a few not to have fide ratings, but that would have to be very rare.

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This is just about the most sexist comment I've ever heard.

Carissa Yip has played 28 FIDE rated games. Her stats are 7 wins, 6 draws, and 15 losses. Yes, the losses stand out, but i have no information about the opponents.

From the Illinois Chess Association:

"Once you receive your initial rating you'll find that it can fluctuate a lot. This is because your K-factor is set to 30 and remains there until you have had 30 FIDE rated games. Once you hit the 30-mark, your K-factor will change to 15 so your rating will fluctuate less. Your K-factor will remain at 15 until such time as your FIDE rating reaches 2400, and then it settles in at 10 for the rest of your life, even if your rating drops below 2400."

Edit: (Removed because of redundancy.)

You need to get out more.

I found more information for 13 games. The rest might be more recent and not recorded yet. 7 of those games were played against players rated 1300-1500's. 1 of those was against a 1717. 4 games against players in the 2000's, and 1 player 2317.

Edit: 10 games were played last year, no others were played until July 2013. Out of those 13 games she had four wins and two draws, one of the draws was against a 2000.

& that record for Liang is only for the U.S. He reached 2200 fide on... oh, he hasn't got there yet. He's 2129 fide for Aug 2013. Remember, kids that are the best or near the top 5-10 for their age group have plenty of opportunity to play the big events which are almost always fide rated. Their parents take them around the country all the time, just look at their tournament history. The kids that really are at the top get to go play internationally. They have a LOT of fide rated games. Liang is only 10 & already has 254 fide rated games. On his 10th birthday he was 2017. For comparison Sergey Karjakin was 2206 on his 10th birthday.

That doesn't mean everybody has the opportunity to play at big events. We know nothing of their home life or their financial status. 

Carissa Yip only has played 28 FIDE rated games. When she has played a bunch more and her rating has stabilized, then we'll see how she stands. For now though, her USCF rating is impressive.

If you think her USCF rating is bogus, then show how it is inflated. Pointing out her low FIDE rating (due to lack of FIDE games played) and comparing her to others that have had more opportunity proves nothing.

I doubt you mean this, but it's starting to come across as you saying a USCF rating means nothing, and only a FIDE rating counts.