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who is the best chess player of all time?

  • 3 days ago · Quote · #301


    GnrfFrtzl wrote:
    Lord_Voldemort11 írta:
    Yereslov wrote:
    aww-rats wrote:

    Bobby Fischer, end of argument.

    Bobby Fischer only managed to defeated Spassky for the first time in 1972 (the same year he quit), and he never proved that he could stand a chance against Karpov. He cowered and left the chess world before he could fully develop. Botvinnik, on the other hand, proved his dominance for four decades.

    You don't know what you are talking about. Fischer was not interested in continueing chess. He was about to stop playing against spasski too if his demands were not met. Fischer played all the greatest players at his time, and beat all of them. No one stood a chance, and he got bored, i guess. 

    Well that's a bit untrue, though.
    I'm not dissing Fischer, as I think he was one of the best players, but still, the smoke's bigger than the fire.
    First of all, Tal beat him, several times, and secondly, he didn't really have that much of an opposition.
    Let's face it, Spassky wasn't that much of a challenge for him; he was a rather mediocre world champion, and never near to those that came before and after him.
    I wonder what would have happened if Fischer played someone like Alekhine or Capa.

    Spassky would take care of Euwe, Alekhine, or Capablanca quite handily.  Chess progressed a lot since their day and Botvinnik's school greatly advanced chess understanding. 

    No real competition?  Fischer's competition consisted of Larsen, Geller, Petrosian, Korchnoi, Botvinnik, Gligoric, Benko, Reuben Fine, Smyslov, Reshevsky, and Najdorf just to name a few. 

    As for best of all time Carlsen, his peak rating and the quality of current top level competition is quite telling.  And he's still not done improving. 

  • 3 days ago · Quote · #302


    JMB2010 wrote:

    @SmyslovFan, it's probably more useful to compare ratings over a span of time, not just the peak rating. Calling Radjabov the 8th best player of all time is pretty ridiculous.

    I would have to disagree from a purely objective (as opposed to relative to one's peers) standpoint.  Radjabov, if he were to travel back in time and face Capablanca or even Spassky during their primes, he would convincingly defeat them in a set match.  We speak of players such as Alekhine and Capablanca being great, and they were, but how do you think Alekhine would fare against Grischuk's infamous Hedgehog or Ruy Lopez technique!  Modern players simply have too many advantages and some math was done with comparing computer evaluations of past players’ moves compared to today.

    In Warriors of the Mind Raymond Keane puts Tigran Petrosian well below Lasker and Capablanca (not to mention that Fischer's real life peak was well above 2690) so I don't put any stock in that system.


    Sums it up nicely. 

  • 3 days ago · Quote · #303


    Radjabov wouldn't "convincingly beat Capablanca in a match".

  • 3 days ago · Quote · #304


    As great as Capa was, he was not able to adjust to the Dynamic chess of the Soviet School. There's a reason that Botvinnik-Capa at AVRO 1938 is considered one of the greatest and most important games of all time.

    We saw that Capa, for all his brilliance, had a very difficult time when faced with the likes of Alekhine and Botvinnik. He would have no clue how to handle the wild and ultra-precise lines that today's players use every day.

    Kasparov wrote a book showing how chess was revolutionized after Fischer. We're living in the golden age of chess where at least 10 of the top 15 players of all time are still active!

  • 3 days ago · Quote · #305


    Capablanca was 50 when AVRO took place.  He would be dead 4 years later because of health problems.

  • 3 days ago · Quote · #306


    What excuse do you have for Capa's failure in 1927?

  • 3 days ago · Quote · #307


    "Radjabov wouldn't "convincingly beat Capablanca in a match""

    If Alekhine could do it in the 1920s it wouldn't be surprising if top players of the 2010s could do it.

  • 3 days ago · Quote · #308


    SmyslovFan wrote:

    What excuse do you have for Capa's failure in 1927?

    Same as Alekhine's in 1935.  They both liked to party a little too much.

  • 3 days ago · Quote · #309


    Of all time? Probably someone in the future.

  • 46 hours ago · Quote · #310


    SilentKnighte5 wrote:
    SmyslovFan wrote:

    What excuse do you have for Capa's failure in 1927?

    Same as Alekhine's in 1935.  They both liked to party a little too much.

    Checkmate!Tongue Out

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