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Ne4 looks like it could be interesting.
Ne4 is crushing!
I see Ne4 is a good move, but i fail to see what is bad about Nh5. Can someone enlighten me?
Testje wrote:
I see Ne4 is a good move, but i fail to see what is bad about Nh5. Can someone enlighten me?
Ne4 is more forcing because it also attacks the rook.
Yeah, but it "only" gives you a 2 pawn advantage. Not sure if that is worth a !!. But perhaps that's me, as i never really studied annoted games where !! come up.
I think i can see why Nh5 it is not a good move: Bg5 stops the attack right there
@Frankdawg Well, then it seems that I rushed because I took the queen istead of the rook. That's why I'm so low rated I guess :(
@Frankdawg Come to think of it, after your posted analysis, it looks like not a very good idea to take with the rook, better for the rook to wait there and die. Meanwhile black can prepare some counterplay.
Don't know what a quotquot move is.
jerry2468 wrote:
Don't know what a quotquot move is.
Brilliant move (Paul van der Sterren, Fundamental Chess Openings,2009)
nxavar wrote:
@Frankdawg Come to think of it, after your posted analysis, it looks like not a very good idea to take with the rook, better for the rook to wait there and die. Meanwhile black can prepare some counterplay.
The rook will not die. After Nxd7 ...Rxd3 cxd3 ...Kxd7, the pawn on c5 is lost.
proKnight98 wrote:
nxavar wrote:
@Frankdawg Come to think of it, after your posted analysis, it looks like not a very good idea to take with the rook, better for the rook to wait there and die. Meanwhile black can prepare some counterplay.
The rook will not die. After Nxd7 ...Rxd3 cxd3 ...Kxd7, the pawn on c5 is lost.
a) There's no pawn on c5, b) I was talking about black's response to Ne4.
It is not even ! let alone !! It is the most obvious move there. Sorry to be a killjoy but !! is something I would put next to no move I have ever played in any game and I have been playing 33 years. !! is reserved for Mikhail Tal and the like. It denotes an absolutely absurd looking brilliancy. ! itself would mean a move that was surprisingly good not just routinely accurate.
If you take the Queen it does not give you much advantage
lucam92 wrote:
If you take the Queen it does not give you much advantage
Correct. Too bad I rushed, because I would have had a won game there.
Here_Is_Plenty wrote:
It is not even ! let alone !! It is the most obvious move there. Sorry to be a killjoy but !! is something I would put next to no move I have ever played in any game and I have been playing 33 years. !! is reserved for Mikhail Tal and the like. It denotes an absolutely absurd looking brilliancy. ! itself would mean a move that was surprisingly good not just routinely accurate.
!! Standed for the cleverness of the move. Its not your average move. It fits in the position so nicely and handles all white's problems while also being a blow to the opponent that I think it deserves a !!
I understand what you mean but it is only as I said "routinely accurate" - I felt no surprise when I saw it, it is not deep nor clever. If I missed that even in a blitz game I would be kicking myself. I am not trying to be a troll here, I know what gets a ! and what gets a !! and this is not even close. There is no relative value for player strength when allocating indicators like !?, ?, !, etc - they are about how objectively unusual and strong/weak they are.
yeah
Bur_Oak wrote:
Ne4 looks like it could be interesting.
Here_Is_Plenty wrote:
I understand what you mean but it is only as I said "routinely accurate" - I felt no surprise when I saw it, it is not deep nor clever. If I missed that even in a blitz game I would be kicking myself. I am not trying to be a troll here, I know what gets a ! and what gets a !! and this is not even close. There is no relative value for player strength when allocating indicators like !?, ?, !, etc - they are about how objectively unusual and strong/weak they are.
Well, I thought it was unusual but I guess it's not.