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sara_manju

hahahahahaha it is mate in 3,33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333

LoekBergman

Funny discussion about the numbers of the mating combination. Is it 3, 4 or 5? IMO it is in this particular situation mate in 4, not in 5 and certainly not mate in 3.

It is not a mate in 3, because you will have to take the sacrifice of the knight into account. It clears a field for the black king by which he might escape. The sacrifice of the knight outweighs the sacrifice of the white queen. Hence, you will have to calculate this move to be sure of the combination.

It is not a mate in 5 imo because that is the computorized answer to the question: how many moves can black legally make before he is mated? Off course would it be a mate in 5 if it was created as a puzzle, but this is a position in a game. In the game both players know that the counterattack starting with the queen has no impact. They would not consider that move in this combination. Qf2:+ is an obsolete move.

If it was a puzzle, mate in 5, coming from a game, mate in 4.

By the way, I tried to find a mate in 3, but I could only find a mate in 4 and did not see the counterattack of the queen. At my first analysis of the position I saw that the defense of white was very good, never leading to a successful counterattack of black. The second puzzle was very easy, because the rook was undefended.

erikido23

got them in one go

ClavierCavalier
LoekBergman wrote:

Funny discussion about the numbers of the mating combination. Is it 3, 4 or 5? IMO it is in this particular situation mate in 4, not in 5 and certainly not mate in 3.

It is not a mate in 3, because you will have to take the sacrifice of the knight into account. It clears a field for the black king by which he might escape. The sacrifice of the knight outweighs the sacrifice of the white queen. Hence, you will have to calculate this move to be sure of the combination.

It is not a mate in 5 imo because that is the computorized answer to the question: how many moves can black legally make before he is mated? Off course would it be a mate in 5 if it was created as a puzzle, but this is a position in a game. In the game both players know that the counterattack starting with the queen has no impact. They would not consider that move in this combination. Qf2:+ is an obsolete move.

If it was a puzzle, mate in 5, coming from a game, mate in 4.

By the way, I tried to find a mate in 3, but I could only find a mate in 4 and did not see the counterattack of the queen. At my first analysis of the position I saw that the defense of white was very good, never leading to a successful counterattack of black. The second puzzle was very easy, because the rook was undefended.

It is a puzzle, though.

waffllemaster
LoekBergman wrote:

Funny discussion about the numbers of the mating combination. Is it 3, 4 or 5? IMO it is in this particular situation mate in 4, not in 5 and certainly not mate in 3.

It is not a mate in 3, because you will have to take the sacrifice of the knight into account. It clears a field for the black king by which he might escape. The sacrifice of the knight outweighs the sacrifice of the white queen. Hence, you will have to calculate this move to be sure of the combination.

It is not a mate in 5 imo because that is the computorized answer to the question: how many moves can black legally make before he is mated? Off course would it be a mate in 5 if it was created as a puzzle, but this is a position in a game. In the game both players know that the counterattack starting with the queen has no impact. They would not consider that move in this combination. Qf2:+ is an obsolete move.

If it was a puzzle, mate in 5, coming from a game, mate in 4.

By the way, I tried to find a mate in 3, but I could only find a mate in 4 and did not see the counterattack of the queen. At my first analysis of the position I saw that the defense of white was very good, never leading to a successful counterattack of black. The second puzzle was very easy, because the rook was undefended.

If you announced mate in 4 during a game, and it actually took 5 moves even if they were "computerized" (whatever that's supposed to mean) then you'd be wrong.  A mate in 5 is a mate in 5 and is called a mate in 5 anywhere and everywhere.

OSenhordaChuva

I also solved both in one shot.

The first one I would not solve it in real game where u dont't know 

there is a mate in there.

In fact this leads me to another question.

Why can I solve puzzles harder than people with a rating higher than mine and still can't improve my own rating? I guess I lose in other moments of the game.

eddysallin
sara_manju wrote:

1)mate in 3--rf7 and then  QP+ and n,h6 disrupt the Mate in 3-------N+,kh8,Qxp,Qxp+,kxQ,rf7,QXr,ne5,rh3+,nh4,rxn mate

 2) Bf5 is mate in 1

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2)Mate in one. 

 

browni3141
LoekBergman wrote:

Funny discussion about the numbers of the mating combination. Is it 3, 4 or 5? IMO it is in this particular situation mate in 4, not in 5 and certainly not mate in 3.

It is not a mate in 3, because you will have to take the sacrifice of the knight into account. It clears a field for the black king by which he might escape. The sacrifice of the knight outweighs the sacrifice of the white queen. Hence, you will have to calculate this move to be sure of the combination.

It is not a mate in 5 imo because that is the computorized answer to the question: how many moves can black legally make before he is mated? Off course would it be a mate in 5 if it was created as a puzzle, but this is a position in a game. In the game both players know that the counterattack starting with the queen has no impact. They would not consider that move in this combination. Qf2:+ is an obsolete move.

If it was a puzzle, mate in 5, coming from a game, mate in 4.

By the way, I tried to find a mate in 3, but I could only find a mate in 4 and did not see the counterattack of the queen. At my first analysis of the position I saw that the defense of white was very good, never leading to a successful counterattack of black. The second puzzle was very easy, because the rook was undefended.

In my opinion this is a mate in two. 1. Qxf6+ Kh6 2. Rh3#

Because a queen sac on the first move is prettier.

erikido23
OSenhordaChuva wrote:

I also solved both in one shot.

The first one I would not solve it in real game where u dont't know 

there is a mate in there.

In fact this leads me to another question.

Why can I solve puzzles harder than people with a rating higher than mine and still can't improve my own rating? I guess I lose in other moments of the game.

To answer your last question...It probably is a combination of your answer, the fact that you couldn't solve this in a real game, and the fact that you probably don't know how to set up combinations in your games.  

browni3141
maths_lover wrote:

And what is the meaning of solving in one go?

can anybody on this cite explain?

Solving it without making mistakes. If you tried playing 1. h3, for example, you did not solve it in one go. The phrase "in one go" has the same meaning as "in one attempt"

Danehill142

I'm a very ordinary player and it took me about 30 seconds on the first one, and 5 seconds on the second one.

LelaCrosby

Honestly I did click the help button on the first one because I didn't get the queen sac.

The second one was easy.

OSenhordaChuva
erikido23 escreveu:
OSenhordaChuva wrote:

I also solved both in one shot.

The first one I would not solve it in real game where u dont't know 

there is a mate in there.

In fact this leads me to another question.

Why can I solve puzzles harder than people with a rating higher than mine and still can't improve my own rating? I guess I lose in other moments of the game.

To answer your last question...It probably is a combination of your answer, the fact that you couldn't solve this in a real game, and the fact that you probably don't know how to set up combinations in your games.  

Thanks. Sounds like a good answer.

eddysallin
erikido23 wrote:
OSenhordaChuva wrote:

I also solved both in one shot.

The first one I would not solve it in real game where u dont't know 

there is a mate in there.

In fact this leads me to another question.

Why can I solve puzzles harder than people with a rating higher than mine and still can't improve my own rating? I guess I lose in other moments of the game.

To answer your last question...It probably is a combination of your answer, the fact that you couldn't solve this in a real game, and the fact that you probably don't know how to set up combinations in your games.  

#1 NO MATE IN,3 OR 4 

eddysallin
Danehill142 wrote:

I'm a very ordinary player and it took me about 30 seconds on the first one, and 5 seconds on the second one.              whats the first answer ?

eddysallin
browni3141 wrote:
LoekBergman wrote:

Funny discussion about the numbers of the mating combination. Is it 3, 4 or 5? IMO it is in this particular situation mate in 4, not in 5 and certainly not mate in 3.

It is not a mate in 3, because you will have to take the sacrifice of the knight into account. It clears a field for the black king by which he might escape. The sacrifice of the knight outweighs the sacrifice of the white queen. Hence, you will have to calculate this move to be sure of the combination.

It is not a mate in 5 imo because that is the computorized answer to the question: how many moves can black legally make before he is mated? Off course would it be a mate in 5 if it was created as a puzzle, but this is a position in a game. In the game both players know that the counterattack starting with the queen has no impact. They would not consider that move in this combination. Qf2:+ is an obsolete move.

If it was a puzzle, mate in 5, coming from a game, mate in 4.

By the way, I tried to find a mate in 3, but I could only find a mate in 4 and did not see the counterattack of the queen. At my first analysis of the position I saw that the defense of white was very good, never leading to a successful counterattack of black. The second puzzle was very easy, because the rook was undefended.

In my opinion this is a mate in two. 1. Qxf6+ Kh6 2. Rh3#

Because a queen sac on the first move is prettier.

 not 2,3 or4 move mate........

TetsuoShima

are you kidding? now i feel like a genius lol

TetsuoShima
OSenhordaChuva wrote:

I also solved both in one shot.

The first one I would not solve it in real game where u dont't know 

there is a mate in there.

In fact this leads me to another question.

Why can I solve puzzles harder than people with a rating higher than mine and still can't improve my own rating? I guess I lose in other moments of the game.

well i think the hard part wouldnt be the solving in an actual game but the setting up. master have always such a natural ability to get to such a position.

erikido23

dear eddy....your rating is so low because u don't have any reading comprehension...I said nothing about mate mate in 2, 3 or 4.  But, thanks for "helping" troll.  

paulified22
sara_manju wrote:

1)mate in 3

 

Puzzle 1, I could only find mate in 4, 1.Nf5+...Kh8, 2.Qxg6...hxg6, 3.R h3...Nh6, 4.Rxh6#, Puzzle 2 found mate in 1.Bf5#.Puzzle 1 stopped at move three,but no move's were refused,it said mate in three before puzzle,so who is wrong?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2)Mate in one.