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Created on July 11, 2012 |
7763 Votes | 83 Comments
OK, 71% of chess.com is definitely not dumb :P
Now the other 29%, especially the 4% that don't know what en passant is *sigh*, might just be trolling us :P
Actually when we talk about xiangqi, too much rules are puzzing people. For example, can the king fly to the opponents' king, can we keep checking or keep moving to the same position in a very way (actually rules define many different ways of position reappearing and fobidin some of them and allow the others).
Xiangqi has much more weird rules than chess.
Can the elephant cross the river?
Is it funny that as soon as I finished an online game of chess (in which I had used en passant) I saw this survey! Ha!
I wonder how many times I've captured ep. Could be 100. Not all for good reasons!
Just last night at the chess club. It was the right move to do according to my coach. I still lost the game though
I'm going to be honest in telling you guys/gals that I got a little giddy doing it
Your people seems to have more trouble understanding the correct rules of chess than our (Taiwanese) people understanding that of xiangqi. At least we never argue about whether the elephant could cross the river.
I agree with plotsin too. The people that do not know this rule generally don't know much about chess in general.
Well Terrorlone, we may have to agree to disagree, point is though, even if fide did change the rules as late as 1972, its still been awhile since these rules have been around and beginners across the land still have them tweaked in one way or another. For instance, when I was a kid, my cousin told me that pawns could not take royalty! (like the queen). Some even argue about the starting square for the king and queen. It goes on and on...
I am happy with the vote result
If someone doesn't know what this is OTB then you're probably good enough to beat them without it.
Similarly, regarding castling, what I was saying is not about "when did the idea of castling first came to exist", but "when did the actual rules that is exactly (or at least basically) the same as today's rules came to exist and become universally accepted". In fact, FIDE even changed the rule description of castling for one last time in 1972 to prevent the so-called Pam-Krabbé-Castling. So strictly speaking, the very exact rule of today's caslting wasn't there until 1972!
You might have your resource, so do I. Hooper & Whyld, "en passant", The Oxford Companion to Chess (2nd ed.), Oxford University Press, 1992, pp.124–25: "it (en passant) was not universally accepted until the Italian rules were changed in 1880". Ruy Lopez did mention this move in his book Libro de la invencion liberal y arte del juego del axedrez, which is one of the earliest written record, but that's it; have been invented doesn't mean that the move was already a standard at the time. The point is "when did it become universally accpeted", not "when it was invented".
"but i my english level then i can't understand correctly words mean of "Ever taken a pawn 'en passant' before". still i understand statement as japanese language structure."
The meaning of the question is this: "Have you ever taken a pawn through 'en passant' before?'" In the sentence, the "have you" is implied. So have you played a game in which you captured a pawn through en passant?
"It's interesting to note that there are variations to the en passant rule. I believe that if a pawn passes a 5th rank pawn on a diagonal (as opposed to straight up an adjacent file) when capturing a piece, the rule applies. Will someone more expert than myself confirm or deny this, please?" -Hockeymanchess
I've never heard of anything like that. Maybe in some corruption of the rules or some chess variant, but not in traditional chess. It only works when the pawn moves 2 squares. This rule was created to prevent pawns from escaping capture by moving 2.
I'm sure there are better examples than this, such as those allowing checkmate, but it's quick and easy, and I've seen it several times while playing the french defense.
As for the dates of this stuff, I've read that castling exsisted for a while in many variants before the system we have now was universially accepted. Even now I've met people who think O-O-O results with the king ending on the B-file (O-O-O-O?), but that's just a poor understanding of the rules. A rule book I have gives the rules of castling, saying the king moves next to the rook, and then a few pages later mentions queen-side castling, so maybe this sort of thing is to blame. I've seen many people who think you can castle out of check and through attacked squares, and even some who think you can't castle if you've ever have been checked! It seems easy enough to write "When castling, the king moves 2 squares towards the rook. The king can't castle while in check check, nor may the king ever move through an attacked square."
I would check your resources Terrorlone, : Golombek's Encyclopedia of Chess- "This practice (en passant) was probably the last of the rules introduced in modern chess and appears to have become general by the end of the fifteenth century. It is mentioned by Ruy Lopez in 1561. Also in the classic book "art of attack in chess" by Vladimir Vukovic, edited by John Nunn, it states in the introduction "The great reform of c. 1485, which created modern European chess, was particularly responsible for opening up new opportunities for attack and ushered in a period of rich development in chess technique. In addition, the chapter of the same book "On castling and attacking the castled position in general" states that the castling move was the last of the rules to be established. i.e. "In addition to this general line of development in the laws of chess, we also owe the introduction and eventual adoption of the castling move to the indirect influence of the great reform of the fifteenth century. This reform created a powerful queen and the modern bishop..." so to make a long story short, chess players have been taking en passant and castling (as we would today) well before the 17th century. I have even more resources to prove this if needed.
I guess most people if they learn chess at home the 'en passant' rule is left out.I learned chess as a 6 year old, but it was first when I joined a chess club as a 30 year old that I learned about en passant.I had played against many people for fun but never heard about the rule before that.I remember the first time I experienced someone playing en passant.I thought I had a draw against a better player and I thought I had calculated the draw suddenly he took .. en passant
i would take the black pawn please :D
ive gotten into trouble once because i didnt want to take a pawn ep, didnt think it was the right thing 2 do at that time but my opponent wanted me to do it and he got mad when i told him i knew the rule very well but just didnt want 2 do it.
There is a toy company that still publishes a chess teaching manuel that does not mention en passant, nor did it fully explain castling rules. But there still are kids "learning " chess with it.
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