🪓 2023 Original Solo (FFA) World 4 Player Chess Championships, 🏆 Season 5 ⚔️ DISCUSSION

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Based on the results and the requirement of 2/3 vote to overturn last year's format, the 2023 W4PCC Solo will be Arenas, Old Setup, Rated. Time control and what rating to set as a minimum are up for discussion. Qualifier games will be entirely Anonymous. Preliminary and Final games will be Semi-Anonymous for the purpose of the Audience.
The dates for the prelims and finals are tentatively rescheduled for June 3 & 4, and June 10 & 11. The dates of the Qualifier Arenas are tentatively rescheduled for May 20 & 21 and May 27 & 28.

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AS FOR SET-UP.

63% being extremely close to 2/3 ; and 314 votes having been given which is significant, I consider it's inappropriate to stick to OS.

It's simply inconsistent.

EITHER the management has to revert back to OS for all games; OR stick to its 2022 decision. Everything else would be totally illogical.

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why rated!!

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Arjun1516 wrote:

why rated!!

It's the championship and the server is back to normal again; why not rated?

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Community, please vote on the following:

1. Time control

2. Arenas Rating Minimum

Based on feedback, I determined 2400+ should be the lowest possible Arenas requirement. The community is welcome to determine the requirements of how competitive these arenas need to be. The community is also welcome to vote for a time control would like to be selected that is other than 1|7.

Arena voting determination: Simple Majority.

Time control voting determination: <14.2857% votes on 1|7 OR >28.5714% of another category at simple majority to overturn the 1|7 time control.

Polls close 22:00 UTC Saturday April 22, 2023.

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On the note of it being unrated I 100% agree with you @Empty_k3, championship decisions need to be uninfluenced by the possibility of rating changes, something that should 100% be changed instead of making the decision based off the opinion of a bunch of players who do not understand this.

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Hey Luke,
Dear Players!

I have my vote ready, for me the World Championship It is historically the most important event. I have read some comments and I agree with some of the suggestions they indicate.

Poll:

- W4PCC Arenas Minimum: 2600+
- W4PCC Time control : 2 | 15D

Qualification:  Handpicked
Regarding "handpicked", If you still want or can pick some finely selected, high-level players, I would 100% support that decision this year. For me there are several high-level active players, who do not need to qualify in an Arena, we already know those players and they should qualify directly. Players lower 2800+ must compete in an arena to qualify for the next stage. gold

Rating: Rated
Personally I like that the games are rated, but it really doesn't matter to me, if it's casual it's not a problem.

Starting Position (Setup): Old Std | Omatamix | BY
The world championship has always been played in Old standard (historically), I think that the vast majority of those who have voted so far do not know the old std, It is a complex situation for users who have been playing omatamix for a year. For my part, I can play in any Setup, no problem. wink

Time Control: 2 | 15D
As far as possible I hope that the time control is without increment, 3|7 it looks like something very eternal. meh

The important thing is that this year the connection problems have been resolved, now there is greater stability,the Rating System for all categories is also improved, therefore we can enjoy an excellent world championship.

Success to all!
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Oh my gosh arenas again. I don't care, I'll play anyway. But please make the qualifiers 1/7 maximum, for the semis and finals whatever the people decides.

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rojitto wrote:

Oh my gosh arenas again. I don't care, I'll play anyway. But please make the qualifiers 1/7 maximum, for the semis and finals whatever the people decides.

That's a good point. I didn't really specify what the definition of "2023 Solo (FFA) W4PCC" was in the context of "Time Control" wink.png If a number of people agree, we could look into that, 1|7 arenas and 3|7 prelims&finals for example. 3 | 7 is currently leading the polls followed by 2 | 15D. For qualifier arenas that could be too much. If some people vote 10 | 0 it's possible we could even do that as qualifier arenas since between the two categories of time controls, the shorter ones are more fitting for arenas as the longer ones are more fitting for prelims and finals. The only issue here is the need to urge devs to get back to fixing Delay if Delay is chosen wink.png

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And what % is players who vote for Arenas above 2400 rating? Just asking... ( I wondering...are players who can not participate in Champ. decide that should be Arenas for players with 2400+ ?!? )

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On another note, if there's a tie between 2400+ and 2600+ I'm gonna break the tie and say 2600+. Being I'm not participating as a player anymore, my 2596 rating won't matter anyways wink.png

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I do think that 10 min is the best choice for arenas imo… for those who don’t like to premove in the endgame it might take away from the spirit of the game

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2600+ arenas would be the most logical but you would have to wait like 20 mins to get a game. It happened last year when the first arenas (open for all due to a mistake) were played on the test server. After we went back to the main server you could barely find games and it was 2200+ at that time, imagine being 2600+

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Fabio Luigi

Open Tender.

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2400+ will win necessarily, as there are much more players between 2380 and 2499 than 2500+. And they want to take part probably...

(I've just voted 2500+).

As for time control: most of these choices suppose in fact very long games. It is NOT normal to make such long games in a rather short arena: basically as many players won't have enough time to make more than 3, max. 4 games, the outcome would depend tremendously on luck.

In addition, the ORDER OF THE VICTORIES currently influences the result: it's simply ridiculous, doesn't make sense. Last year I qualified thanks to that, but guys, it's nonsense. We have to remove the premium for consecutive victories.

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Indipendenza wrote:

AS FOR SET-UP.

63% being extremely close to 2/3 ; and 314 votes having been given which is significant, I consider it's inappropriate to stick to OS.

It's simply inconsistent.

EITHER the management has to revert back to OS for all games; OR stick to its 2022 decision. Everything else would be totally illogical.

It is extremely unfair to revert to OS whereas most players don't play it anymore (or, worse, haven't ever played it).

If the Oma set-up is not good, so the default set-up should become BY or revert to OS, whatever.

But it is absolutely abnormal and unfair and unprofessional to have as THE set-up of THE yearly world event different from the default set-up played in 99% of the billions of games every year. Doesn't make sense.

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Indipendenza wrote:

"Most of these issues have been resolved although it is my understanding that many players may still be upset regarding the Merge." : MOST of the problems have been solved, YES. And the server has become much more stable (finally), after very hard and frustrating months. What clearly remains, that's the mess represented by the current site structure (I sent to BabYagun quite some pages about how to address that, IMHO).

As for the championship. Unless we want it to be amateurish, it is extremely important that a) we be sure to select the best players for the final stages, but b) giving still chances to the weaker ones to get to the final stages (otherwise it would've been enough to select the highest rated, period) and c) we address the clear no-show problem.

Hence my proposal:

- I do not think it is good to oblige the world elite to re-qualify (ruining other players' chances quite often, and also making them lose their time mainly), that's why I suggest the 20 players from the Rapid leaderboard be qualified automatically (BUT they'll have to confirm officially if they take part or not),

- then you organise 8 5-hours Arenas (or more, if someone from the Top 20 doesn't want to take part...) where you pick the 2 winners per Arena. TWO, not one. Because what I could see in the previous editions, very often reasonably strong players couldn't qualify because someone much stronger won and they got 2nd, sometimes even 4-5 times 2nd (!). Not fair.

- 20 + 16 = 36 players. The 32 highest rated will be the Semi-Finalists, the 4 others will be Official Subs. And nobody else.

- By order of ratings, the players are distributed among 8 groups of 4. They play two or three (or, very exceptionally, four) games, until there are TWO winners (and only the official subs are entitled to replace a player; if a sub wins once, he DOES pass to the next stage...). I.e. two players per group pass (again, it's much fairer and we'll be sure to get the best players and not just someone winning by luck).

- it will give 16 players. ALL the eliminated players will become the official subs (hence 20 subs), who will be able to join further games: the organisers will ask to the players who will be online at the moment of a match, BY ORDER OF THEIR RATING (among the 20 players of the official list).

- the 16 players will play again in 4 groups, with 2 or 3 games, until there are 8 winners. The 8 others will be the official subs for the next stage.

- 3rd stage: there are only 2 groups of 4 players, who again with play 2 or 3 games, until there are 4 winners, who will become the official finalists. The other 4 will be the official subs for the next stage.

- the 4th and last stage: the finalists play until anyone reaches 3 victories (maximum 3 matches per day). Therefore there will be 1, 2 or 3 days maximum (9 games).

I believe we should definitely keep 2 highest players from every arena. That would solve a lot of issues.

I am also convinced that the top 20 players shouldn't play in the arenas.

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I think 1+7 is better because it is similar to the most common. 1+7 which is too short for tactics to happen and takes away the fun to watch. Considering almost all people who are voting are 2000 and below the odds of a short one winning is none Vs the top player choices. I think you should be 2500+ to vote which nobody wants because nobody is that rating which includes me.

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First, I want to thank Luke for his significant contribution to our favorite game as a player and the chief.

My opinions about the championship:

Setup: should be the main current setup, not the old one.

Qualifying: there should be a balance between having the top players in and letting high-rated players have the opportunity to qualify; hence, I think: 4 finalists from last year (because that will include me) + 6 players from the leaderboard + 6 arena winners.

Arenas: 2500+, short time control, and it shouldn't matter if you win games in a row.

Finals: I voted for 3/7; a little more time to think.

Server: Last year I Iagged in a final game, I think those games should be frozen till that player comes back, if possible.