4PC Max means that kings are worth less than queens. Meaning it would be more worthwhile to take a queen than to checkmate a king.
Also checkmating a king is the same as taking a rook or a bishop.
A proposed solution to the " opposites = cheating " controversy
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spacebar wrote:
I have said it soo many times, and there are years of forum discussions on this topic.
The best strategy in regular FFA is to team with your oppo. The only solution is to change the hard rules (like how many points for mate, starting position, anything like that, I mean rules of the game, not some obscure 'no teaming' rule which relies on admins policing it.).
..to change the hard rules so that teaming with oppo is not the best strategy. many great minds have dwelled on this problem. and having low king value is one of the most promising ways to make teaming 'not profitable'.
You see, you think it's easy to create a game that is just like FFA but is totally not like FFA (in a sense that the best strategy be completely different).
Can you come up with something?
Your turn
btw 4PC MAX only sucks because it's not like what you are used to. Sure it's a different game in many ways. It has to be. But it's also very similar in many ways.
If you and everyone else were to play it for a year or two and grow to love it, I doubt you'd say it sucks.
A challenge : create something that looks like FFA but without the teams ? It sounds to me that teaming in FFA by it's very definition is cheating. It also sounds like the ones who complain the loudest are the admins 'cause they have to enforce it, and the easiest thing to do is allow 2 v 2. THERE IS A SEPARATE AREA FOR TEAMS GO PLAY TEAMS OVER THERE !!!! PROBLEM SOLVED !!!
Aug 16, 2022
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@DoubleSpeedRocks
please read again:
The best strategy in regular FFA is to team with your oppo. The only solution is to change the hard rules (like how many points for mate, starting position, anything like that, in a way that teaming with oppo not the best strategy. 4PC Max is an attempt to do just that, make teaming with opposite 'not profitable'.
Do you understand this? Does it make sense to you? If not, what don't you understand? Or what doesn't make sense?
If you want to continue discussing this subject, you must respond to the explanations and arguments presented. We try to explain the situation yet you seemingly ignore anything we write and just go round in circles.
dude, how many brain cells do you have? certainly not more than some ridiculously brain-dead 4pc players I know, and that's saying something
how is teaming cheating? Teaming is literally one player taking advantage of another player's attack for multiple moves in a row. It's nothing more than that
Aug 16, 2022
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It FEELS like cheating to anyone new to the game, or anyone improving to 2200+ or so.
And the desire for a team-free FFA is real. What many players just don't understand is that 'forbidding teaming' doesn't work.
Isn't locking a thread with a valid arguement just because an admin disagrees with it's content an abuse of said admin's power ? The thread is a new topic. No one has brought forth the idea opposites is cheating because it's pre arranged before. It's a new topic. Or at the very least, it's a new angle on an old topic. I'm at a huge disadvantage here. The admins can lock any post or thread of mine simply because they can. I only have 1 recourse, and I must at this point, use it.
DoubleSpeedRocks wrote:
Isn't locking a thread with a valid arguement just because an admin disagrees with it's content an abuse of said admin's power ? The thread is a new topic. No one has brought forth the idea opposites is cheating because it's pre arranged before. It's a new topic. Or at the very least, it's a new angle on an old topic. I'm at a huge disadvantage here. The admins can lock any post or thread of mine simply because they can. I only have 1 recourse, and I must at this point, use it.
who said it was a valid argument other than you? you're just repeating the same thing over and over again and rewording it to try and make it look more like a "valid" argument which it most definitely won't be. And spacebar locked the post not because he didn't agree with it, but because it was a clear spam post that repeated the same thing once more. You've made three forum posts already and still counting about this same exact topic and yet you won't seem to understand that people can be wrong sometimes
MaskedMadara wrote:
this is never gonna happen. If a dude's tryna kill me, and my opp wants him dead too, wouldn't it be beneficial for my survival to kill him? But, if people are cheating, there's always the report button for pre-arranged teaming.
opposites is pre arranged teams. You don't know the player by name ,which doesn't matter, you are illegally using the seat to partner with. And it's pre arranged. You know to partner with that person by the seat they are sitting in. before you even sit down. Pre arranged , and the people who use it are a small minority of the players on here anyway, so why does such a small group get to tell the majority what to do ?
TheCheesePhoenix wrote:
DoubleSpeedRocks wrote:
Isn't locking a thread with a valid arguement just because an admin disagrees with it's content an abuse of said admin's power ? The thread is a new topic. No one has brought forth the idea opposites is cheating because it's pre arranged before. It's a new topic. Or at the very least, it's a new angle on an old topic. I'm at a huge disadvantage here. The admins can lock any post or thread of mine simply because they can. I only have 1 recourse, and I must at this point, use it.
who said it was a valid argument other than you? you're just repeating the same thing over and over again and rewording it to try and make it look more like a "valid" argument which it most definitely won't be. And spacebar locked the post not because he didn't agree with it, but because it was a clear spam post that repeated the same thing once more. You've made three forum posts already and still counting about this same exact topic and yet you won't seem to understand that people can be wrong sometimes
SPAM ?!?!?!?! Excuse me, spam is advertising. How do you get advertising out of that post ? And aren't you an admin also ? Naturally you don't want anything that challenges your status quo. And after me, who's next ? You are now crossing over your duties as an admin and are now engaging in censorship where you are judge, jury, and executioner. Convienient isn't it ? For you anyway. You people are such a small minority, yet you run over not just me but others too. Opposites is only used by the small minority who are admins and plus 2200 players. There are over 22 K players in here. How about we tell you what's legal and what isn't . This will be settled soon. I am not without recourse here. I'VE GOT A WONDERFUL IDEA !!!! Let's play in 3 catagories. 1 is Teams 2 is FFA and 3 is FFA no opposites. That solves everything !!! Have a separate rating for each group. The small minority who play opposites can have their own club, and never worry about new people coming in and spoiling their game. THIS POST IS NOT SPAM EITHER, I'M NOT ADVERTISING ANYTHING.
i'm not an admin...
Oct 2, 2022
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DoubleSpeedRocks wrote:
TheCheesePhoenix wrote:
DoubleSpeedRocks wrote:
Isn't locking a thread with a valid arguement just because an admin disagrees with it's content an abuse of said admin's power ? The thread is a new topic. No one has brought forth the idea opposites is cheating because it's pre arranged before. It's a new topic. Or at the very least, it's a new angle on an old topic. I'm at a huge disadvantage here. The admins can lock any post or thread of mine simply because they can. I only have 1 recourse, and I must at this point, use it.
who said it was a valid argument other than you? you're just repeating the same thing over and over again and rewording it to try and make it look more like a "valid" argument which it most definitely won't be. And spacebar locked the post not because he didn't agree with it, but because it was a clear spam post that repeated the same thing once more. You've made three forum posts already and still counting about this same exact topic and yet you won't seem to understand that people can be wrong sometimes
SPAM ?!?!?!?! Excuse me, spam is advertising. How do you get advertising out of that post ? And aren't you an admin also ? Naturally you don't want anything that challenges your status quo. And after me, who's next ? You are now crossing over your duties as an admin and are now engaging in censorship where you are judge, jury, and executioner. Convienient isn't it ? For you anyway. You people are such a small minority, yet you run over not just me but others too. Opposites is only used by the small minority who are admins and plus 2200 players. There are over 22 K players in here. How about we tell you what's legal and what isn't . This will be settled soon. I am not without recourse here. I'VE GOT A WONDERFUL IDEA !!!! Let's play in 3 catagories. 1 is Teams 2 is FFA and 3 is FFA no opposites. That solves everything !!! Have a separate rating for each group. The small minority who play opposites can have their own club, and never worry about new people coming in and spoiling their game. THIS POST IS NOT SPAM EITHER, I'M NOT ADVERTISING ANYTHING.
just shush. get ratioed. Look up the definition of 'spam' in the google dictionary. It means FLOODING the chat with unwanted messages. If your post takes up the whole page, of nothing useful, just random characters or some off-topic post, or other stuff, then that is spam. Here, this post is already getting off-topic; this post will get removed by an admin; and spam according to google means irrelevant or unsolicited messages sent over the internet. Also the verb 'spam' means to send the SAME message over and over again, to be annoying or for a prank/troll or other purposes.
this ended a long time ago...do you even pay attention lol
Play-banned wrote:
DoubleSpeedRocks wrote:
TheCheesePhoenix wrote:
DoubleSpeedRocks wrote:
Isn't locking a thread with a valid arguement just because an admin disagrees with it's content an abuse of said admin's power ? The thread is a new topic. No one has brought forth the idea opposites is cheating because it's pre arranged before. It's a new topic. Or at the very least, it's a new angle on an old topic. I'm at a huge disadvantage here. The admins can lock any post or thread of mine simply because they can. I only have 1 recourse, and I must at this point, use it.
who said it was a valid argument other than you? you're just repeating the same thing over and over again and rewording it to try and make it look more like a "valid" argument which it most definitely won't be. And spacebar locked the post not because he didn't agree with it, but because it was a clear spam post that repeated the same thing once more. You've made three forum posts already and still counting about this same exact topic and yet you won't seem to understand that people can be wrong sometimes
SPAM ?!?!?!?! Excuse me, spam is advertising. How do you get advertising out of that post ? And aren't you an admin also ? Naturally you don't want anything that challenges your status quo. And after me, who's next ? You are now crossing over your duties as an admin and are now engaging in censorship where you are judge, jury, and executioner. Convienient isn't it ? For you anyway. You people are such a small minority, yet you run over not just me but others too. Opposites is only used by the small minority who are admins and plus 2200 players. There are over 22 K players in here. How about we tell you what's legal and what isn't . This will be settled soon. I am not without recourse here. I'VE GOT A WONDERFUL IDEA !!!! Let's play in 3 catagories. 1 is Teams 2 is FFA and 3 is FFA no opposites. That solves everything !!! Have a separate rating for each group. The small minority who play opposites can have their own club, and never worry about new people coming in and spoiling their game. THIS POST IS NOT SPAM EITHER, I'M NOT ADVERTISING ANYTHING.
just shush. get ratioed. Look up the definition of 'spam' in the google dictionary. It means FLOODING the chat with unwanted messages. If your post takes up the whole page, of nothing useful, just random characters or some off-topic post, or other stuff, then that is spam. Here, this post is already getting off-topic; this post will get removed by an admin; and spam according to google means irrelevant or unsolicited messages sent over the internet. Also the verb 'spam' means to send the SAME message over and over again, to be annoying or for a prank/troll or other purposes.
Hey genius :
Nice try dum dum . Flooding is the exact same post word for word repeated over and over at once, Spam is advertising. I have a Google dictionary too, and it has your picture next to the words overofficious meglomaniac. Watch you abuse your power as admin to remove this post and lock the thread. You're a coward hiding behind your computer screen and your position. I'm in a wheelchair and I could still kick your @$$. Pity I'll never get the chance in the real world .
Oct 4, 2022
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#35
DoubleSpeedRocks wrote:
Play-banned wrote:
DoubleSpeedRocks wrote:
TheCheesePhoenix wrote:
DoubleSpeedRocks wrote:
Isn't locking a thread with a valid arguement just because an admin disagrees with it's content an abuse of said admin's power ? The thread is a new topic. No one has brought forth the idea opposites is cheating because it's pre arranged before. It's a new topic. Or at the very least, it's a new angle on an old topic. I'm at a huge disadvantage here. The admins can lock any post or thread of mine simply because they can. I only have 1 recourse, and I must at this point, use it.
who said it was a valid argument other than you? you're just repeating the same thing over and over again and rewording it to try and make it look more like a "valid" argument which it most definitely won't be. And spacebar locked the post not because he didn't agree with it, but because it was a clear spam post that repeated the same thing once more. You've made three forum posts already and still counting about this same exact topic and yet you won't seem to understand that people can be wrong sometimes
SPAM ?!?!?!?! Excuse me, spam is advertising. How do you get advertising out of that post ? And aren't you an admin also ? Naturally you don't want anything that challenges your status quo. And after me, who's next ? You are now crossing over your duties as an admin and are now engaging in censorship where you are judge, jury, and executioner. Convienient isn't it ? For you anyway. You people are such a small minority, yet you run over not just me but others too. Opposites is only used by the small minority who are admins and plus 2200 players. There are over 22 K players in here. How about we tell you what's legal and what isn't . This will be settled soon. I am not without recourse here. I'VE GOT A WONDERFUL IDEA !!!! Let's play in 3 catagories. 1 is Teams 2 is FFA and 3 is FFA no opposites. That solves everything !!! Have a separate rating for each group. The small minority who play opposites can have their own club, and never worry about new people coming in and spoiling their game. THIS POST IS NOT SPAM EITHER, I'M NOT ADVERTISING ANYTHING.
just shush. get ratioed. Look up the definition of 'spam' in the google dictionary. It means FLOODING the chat with unwanted messages. If your post takes up the whole page, of nothing useful, just random characters or some off-topic post, or other stuff, then that is spam. Here, this post is already getting off-topic; this post will get removed by an admin; and spam according to google means irrelevant or unsolicited messages sent over the internet. Also the verb 'spam' means to send the SAME message over and over again, to be annoying or for a prank/troll or other purposes.
Hey genius :
Nice try dum dum . Flooding is the exact same post word for word repeated over and over at once, Spam is advertising. I have a Google dictionary too, and it has your picture next to the words overofficious meglomaniac. Watch you abuse your power as admin to remove this post and lock the thread. You're a coward hiding behind your computer screen and your position. I'm in a wheelchair and I could still kick your @$$. Pity I'll never get the chance in the real world .
and I can now call your message spam for swearing. Stop being so inappropriate. Your post will most definitely get removed. Also there is no evidence that you are in a wheelchair. I am also a coward. Also, if you say that on other sites, its an immediate ban right away. Spam is unwanted messages. Your post is already getting longer than a page. This post is as well. Longer than a page means that its full of spam, unwanted content. Swearing is unwanted content. So it is spam.
Can you please realize that neither of you are helping by notifying a ton of people just so you can continue your argument? Please, take it to DMs or something
Play-banned wrote:
DoubleSpeedRocks wrote:
Play-banned wrote:
DoubleSpeedRocks wrote:
TheCheesePhoenix wrote:
DoubleSpeedRocks wrote:
Isn't locking a thread with a valid arguement just because an admin disagrees with it's content an abuse of said admin's power ? The thread is a new topic. No one has brought forth the idea opposites is cheating because it's pre arranged before. It's a new topic. Or at the very least, it's a new angle on an old topic. I'm at a huge disadvantage here. The admins can lock any post or thread of mine simply because they can. I only have 1 recourse, and I must at this point, use it.
who said it was a valid argument other than you? you're just repeating the same thing over and over again and rewording it to try and make it look more like a "valid" argument which it most definitely won't be. And spacebar locked the post not because he didn't agree with it, but because it was a clear spam post that repeated the same thing once more. You've made three forum posts already and still counting about this same exact topic and yet you won't seem to understand that people can be wrong sometimes
SPAM ?!?!?!?! Excuse me, spam is advertising. How do you get advertising out of that post ? And aren't you an admin also ? Naturally you don't want anything that challenges your status quo. And after me, who's next ? You are now crossing over your duties as an admin and are now engaging in censorship where you are judge, jury, and executioner. Convienient isn't it ? For you anyway. You people are such a small minority, yet you run over not just me but others too. Opposites is only used by the small minority who are admins and plus 2200 players. There are over 22 K players in here. How about we tell you what's legal and what isn't . This will be settled soon. I am not without recourse here. I'VE GOT A WONDERFUL IDEA !!!! Let's play in 3 catagories. 1 is Teams 2 is FFA and 3 is FFA no opposites. That solves everything !!! Have a separate rating for each group. The small minority who play opposites can have their own club, and never worry about new people coming in and spoiling their game. THIS POST IS NOT SPAM EITHER, I'M NOT ADVERTISING ANYTHING.
just shush. get ratioed. Look up the definition of 'spam' in the google dictionary. It means FLOODING the chat with unwanted messages. If your post takes up the whole page, of nothing useful, just random characters or some off-topic post, or other stuff, then that is spam. Here, this post is already getting off-topic; this post will get removed by an admin; and spam according to google means irrelevant or unsolicited messages sent over the internet. Also the verb 'spam' means to send the SAME message over and over again, to be annoying or for a prank/troll or other purposes.
Hey genius :
Nice try dum dum . Flooding is the exact same post word for word repeated over and over at once, Spam is advertising. I have a Google dictionary too, and it has your picture next to the words overofficious meglomaniac. Watch you abuse your power as admin to remove this post and lock the thread. You're a coward hiding behind your computer screen and your position. I'm in a wheelchair and I could still kick your @$$. Pity I'll never get the chance in the real world .
and I can now call your message spam for swearing. Stop being so inappropriate. Your post will most definitely get removed. Also there is no evidence that you are in a wheelchair. I am also a coward. Also, if you say that on other sites, its an immediate ban right away. Spam is unwanted messages. Your post is already getting longer than a page. This post is as well. Longer than a page means that its full of spam, unwanted content. Swearing is unwanted content. So it is spam.
Spam is advertising, and that is all. As for you questioning my being in a wheelchair, I'd be careful about your choice of words. Anyone who knows me knows I've been in a chair since 2014. You don't know me, so you don't know. Also since you work for chess.com , unpaid, but you are still working for them, you open them up to liability regarding harassing the handicapped. Spam is advertising. Nothing else. I don't know where you get your info from, but it's faulty for sure. You have no clue what spamming and flooding is. I am within my rights too not have my posts removed by you when you are the problem here. So knock it off.
its not cheating, its the way to win. The only way that cheating can be detected in 4pc is if 2 players consistently team up with each other in ffa, and they are not opposites. If they are opposites, it's very likely that they are NOT cheating, and if they are cheating, it would still be possible to lose even if you self-partner.