Based on my online rapid rating what should my OTB rating be?

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ChessUnknown9 wrote:
Blunderfull711 wrote:

I find the -300 rule to be relatively accurate. My USCF is 1800 or so, my rapid is 2100. 

This Is True it Works With Me

same

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If you frequently play online, chances are your online rating will be higher. 

Avatar of FreshBaconJuice

I believe I'm an exception, but my Online rating (~1100) is actually lower than my OTB rating (1250 USCF). I play better during longer games, but I don't like the idea of spending an hour for one online game. OTB I have no issues with an hour/game though.

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What is my rating in OTB rating if my 10 min rating is 152? Or is that just a stupid question?

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InfiniteNautilus wrote:

What is my rating in OTB rating if my 10 min rating is 152? Or is that just a stupid question?

dunno 

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I don't understand those who argue that online rating is not inflated. It is, obviously, and for an undisputable reason.

In USCF or FIDE rating, you have to start from the ground (usually 400?) and work your way up.  Online chess like chess.com allow users to set their initial rating as high as 1600, based on your self-evaluation (Titled players can set up higher initial ratings. But i believe that will require proof. For 1600, you don't need any proof).

This is necessary because OTC rating exist before, and you don't want to an 1800 USCF player join Chess.com and has to start from 400. He would crush the other 400 players. However, since this is a self-reporting system, it inevitably get abused.

I have played with many 1200 -1600 self-rated players whose real strength is likely below 1000. They don't know basic openings and can't see mate in one coming. 

Needless to say, that these inflated self-rated players will get their ratings corrected within a few games.  Chess.com rating system is designed to make quick corrections on new players. For example, if you self reported as 1600, and you lost one daily game against me (rated 1630), your rating will drop to about 1450.  If you lose three games in a row, you'll probably drop to 1100. 

With that said, it'll still take several games for that person to be correctly ranked. If he is actually a 900 player and self-reported as 1600, it will take about 10 games for him to be put back to his true rating range. 

During the 10 games, he will give points to other players.  And those are kind of "free points" .

Taking myself as an example. I have won 3 games against such 1600 self-reporting players. Three easy wins gave me about 18 points (+6 point each).  I wouldn't have these points if i were playing against authentic 1600 -level players.  So, my rating is inflated by 18 points in the past week.

On the other hand, if a high-ranked player chose to under-report his rating, like if an NM self-reported as 1600 and played against me, he would "steal" points from me.

But, because of human nature, I am very sure that way more players over-reporting their rating, than under-reporting.  Overall,  there are more "free points" given to online players, than being taken.  As for myself, I believe i have received about 50 such free points in my daily games,. I also got crushed by some under-reported players, and lost about 18 points.  So overall,  I have a net gain of free points of about 30, after playing only 150 games.

This is only happening to online games. Because in OTB games, you don't get to self-reporting your strength and won't play against people whose rating are very over-reported or under-reported.

Also, those free points aren't going to disappear. Once there are in the system, they stay here.  I have 30 free points. Even i slowly losing them to other players, these players will get these points from me.  These free points have become permanent. And, over time, it will inflate the whole online-ranking.

This inflation will only stop when there are way more existing players than new players. At that point, the "free points" added by new players become proportionally insignificant.  Like if we have 10 million existing players, new inflated points provided by 100 new players won't make much difference.  

I believe chess.com has reached such a state of equilibrium, and, as many people have pointed out, we are in a stable situation, under which chess.com rating is averagely 300 points higher than OTB rating.

 

 

 

 

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Why does this question keep coming up!?!  The simple and undeniable answer is that your OTB rating and your online rating are played in 2 different types of arenas.  Online chess is little league and OTB is the pro's.  The primary distinction even if you want to say chess is chess is the time controls!!  If you play lightning and bullet all the time then your OTB bullet rating is +/- 100-200 points of your online rating.  Oh, that's right, there are no OTB lightning or bullet tournaments!?  If you play blitz all the time then your OTB Blitz will be +/- 100-200 of your online blitz rating. 

For an OTB rating to be official you must play 25 games at time controls of 30 minutes or more!  You can not become rated by playing unrated players!  How many of your online opponents have an official OTB rating?  There must be at least 1 rated player or you can't hold a rated tournament!  2 unrated players can not play a rated match!  The information in this paragraph is in the rules book! 

In an OTB tournament, it's touch move, you are required to keep score, the clock is manual, there is no talking accept to offer a draw, borrow your opponents scoresheet, or resign.  Saying, "check" will get you laughed at and "shushed", and phones are not allowed in the playing area! 

OTB has entry fees, food, lodging, and a real world opportunity for profit and loss from each game.        

The one thing online and OTB have in common is that the ratings should always be lower than an improving players actual strength.  The best way to know how good you are is to keep a detailed notebook of the work you do to improve at chess.  Every 2 or 3 months review the notebook comparing what you thought to what you think.  All the areas you know and don't have to review can be considered how you've improved.  All the areas that you are not confident you still know are what needs to be reviewed.  Consciously replace the known with new stuff to learn and then repeat the process.

Based on my online rating, what is my OTB rating?!  That can be the joke or the punchline!  lol  

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The lowest possible US Chess OTB rating is 101, not 400!

Avatar of 27SlicesOfHam

I don’t know what either of those things are lmao

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Tottenham26 wrote:

usually its less for instance my rapid online is abt 1640 whereas my otb uscf rating is abt 1000 however it really depends bc a am newer to uscf ratings (its a provisional rating) and it really depends on the player bc i am better online disregarding rating i just make better moves online

I also make better moves online

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27hamlkar wrote:

I don’t know what either of those things are lmao

Lol I just started playing this game a few weeks ago I’m still stone league

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in rapid tho

Avatar of falcon39

OTB ratings, you start at unrated than you have to prove yourself to get to 1000. Chess.com used to start you at 1200 anyways. And people play much much more on chess.com, there arent enough tournaments. Magnus is a 2900 blitz and 3200 on chess.com. And he doesn't play worse OTB or anything like that.

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My USCF is 1800. My peak was 2075 a long time ago. Since chess.com has no floor I can be rated anywhere between 1600-1999.

Avatar of 27SlicesOfHam

Interesting. I’m abt 120 or smt I don’t remember 

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idk 

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I haven't played OTB in over 20 years (when I was a senior in HS).  I was 1315 USCF then.

On chess.com, I'm 1414 rapid.  (My blitz is 1263, but I don't take blitz nearly as seriously - I'll play a quick blitz game distracted, whereas I'm giving rapid games my undivided attention.)

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MyBrainNeedsOil wrote:

In USCF or FIDE rating, you have to start from the ground (usually 400?) and work your way up. 

 

Is that new(ish)?  I thought (at least in USCF) you initially had a provisional rating that was the average of your opponents for something like your first four or five tournaments, adding 400 for each win or subtracting 400 for each loss.

My first real (non-provisional) rating was in the mid-1100s.  It went up with every tournament I played and was 1315 the last time I played.

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I started from 400, but that’s because I was bad. I believe the provisional rating thing is the one they are still using. It would be silly to force everyone to work from the ground up, especially if you’re a foreign master coming here for the first time…

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I have though. I remember jumping 730 points in my first USCF tournament from 0. My current USCF rating is currently 1500.