Behind the Masks

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Steenie60

Some of you may remember the debate about whether smoking tobacco caused cancers, lung, tongue, throat et cetera.  The huge amount of scientific data presenting that it did was rubbished by tobacco companies and their supporters (politicians) and while they denounced the findings as bad science they presented their own research which testified that there was no evidence to prove the claim that smoking tobacco caused cancers.  But they knew that it did.  Eventually, the truth came out and most Western countries discouraged the practice of smoking tobacco.  What also emerged were the PR businesses behind the campaign that were prepared to lie to people and smear the truth, believing that confusing the issue would make the facts go away,,,just for money.

A similar situation is happening now, with energy companies and the environment.  The lies, the unkept promises, the disparaging of scientific research, a campaign to slow down change despite the damage done to our - OUR - environment.  I'm sorry that I can only provide a link to the New York Times article:- https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/11/climate/fti-consulting.html

It's kosha/halal information.

WiltedFlower2

Oh, yes! I remember! Shame, shame, shame that people then -- and still today -- allow money to cloud their thinking and cause them to cover up facts for their gain.

The same can be said for the food industry -- and here I mean the JUNK food industry -- that has obfuscated facts and pushed their advertising, leading to a very unhealthy generation of humans.

DrSpudnik

I also remember testimony in Congress where a whole panel of tobacco industry presidents swore to tell the truth and then one-by-one lied when saying that they had no idea that nicotine was addictive. Not one of these creeps was brought up on perjury charges. Not one was found in contempt of Congress.  The lesson is: lie and lie and lie as long as you can. You'll make a fortune before anything is ever done and there are no consequences.

The problem with the global-warming PR campaign is that we don't have 20-30 years of dithering and nay-saying and "trutherism" (which is all about spreading baseless lies, apparently) before anything gets done. This time the stake are much higher and the cost of listening to the liars is devastation and disruption of human and ecological systems of life support.

DrSpudnik

What a good memory I have! That's exactly it. Public spectacle BS larded with outright lies. I suppose it isn't perjury if you couch the denial with "I believe...." It was the same for getting lead out of gasoline, then to get seatbelts in cars. There is always some industry group willing to sell their souls for a few extra pennies. And now the planet can head off to the dump too.

 

Steenie60

Brexit happens after December 2020, where relations between the UK and the EU have been revamped.  Brexit affects more than these two entities but that's another issue.  However, one of the issues which has stimied trade negotiations is fishing.  The fishing industry, which makes up to 0.1% of the UK economy (https://www.dw.com/en/uk-fishing-industry-or-brexits-red-herrings/a-51418061) is run by the Cod Fathers.

This is an article from Unearthed, Greenpeace's free online newsletter:-

https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2019/03/07/fishing-brexit-uk-fleetwood/

I realise this is mostly of interest to Europeans but it does show how we only get shown the mask of those controlling our environment. 

DrSpudnik

A species-depleted toxic waste dump is what so many are dedicated to producing.

Steenie60

I'm not a conspiracy theorist (although that's what a conspiracy theorist would say, and I still have doubts about Apollo 11) nor am I against people making money (I know that people don't get rich just to spite me) as they provide employment and taxes but for the past fifty years I have been concerned about Our planet and about the people who are destroying it just for profit.  It has taken a long time but the wheel is starting to turn in favour of environmentalists; we can only hope it is not too late.

The purpose of this forum is to unmask the forces creating obstacles to saving our, and all the planet's denizens, environment.  For example, the Cod Fathers are responsible for Brexit stalling over the UK fishing industry, remember 0.1% of the country's GDP.  It's not about the fishing towns or the local catch.  The Cod Fathers are about business and use trawlers that have destroyed the breeding beds of fish stocks, so much so that the EU had to create limited quotas for everyone.  These beds have still not recovered entirely.  These business men don't care about preservation.  If a fishing area is depleted, they will move onto another.

I learn most of this as a member of Greenpeace, which is non-political and supported by its members. 

DrSpudnik

You may think Greenpeace is non-political, but they are in the crosshairs of many political operatives and powerful forces. So they may as well become politically active.

Steenie60

Oh I agree that they have powerful enemies, like Israel blowing up the Rainbow Warrior and other events that did not reach the news media.  But I take that as a sign that their work is effective and that they speak truth to power.

DrSpudnik

That's the one thing power never wants to hear.

Steenie60

I wish I could find videos to use rather than long articles that even I'm not guaranteed to get to the end of but please at least scan this story about Cargill

https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2020/11/25/cargill-deforestation-agriculture-history-pollution/

As a vegetarian (and don't get uppity, as far as I'm concerned you can eat what you like) I use a lot of soya alternatives to meat as a protein source.  Soya ice-cream is delicious!  So it was gloomy news when I found out that wildlife habitats were being destroyed to grow soya beans.  Supermarkets, like Morrisons, have taken this into account and sourced their products (goodbye soya ice-cream sad.png) but not all.  The US has been growing soya for many years, so there is plenty of environmentally-ethical crops about but again it is those who put profit before planet that have to be censored.   New destruction cannot be justified as people's livelihood.

 

Steenie60

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Good news is that today a local incinerator has been refused planning permission by the Swansea Council, where I live.  It tok a lot of effort and scientific evidence, but we did it! 

I would very much hope that we can post a video on every chess match we play.  It is up to a player if they want to see it so we're not forcing it down anyone's throat but if a few more people become aware of what's happening and they tell a few more....

Steenie60

I appreciate the enthusiasm for Slaughter-Free Meat but do you really think the corporations that control meat farming will let this happen?  We could have had hydrogen-based transport two-hundred years' ago but oil companies stamped on that.  Now that the demand for oil has reached tipping-point, that is future requirements will outstrip supply, they are willing to invest in new energy sources if there's money to be made.

DrSpudnik

Once oil becomes more difficult to obtain and more expensive, the drive for new fuels will diversify. "New" technologies will suddenly pop out of the woodwork. Right now petrochemicals are still plenty cheap. If you want a hint at what the actual price of gas is, in the US I paid 1.99/gallon of gas last week. That would be a little over 50 cents/liter. It's basically free. So we burn it like crazy.

Steenie60

Behind the Mask is meant to demonstrate that often what we are being told is not a reflection of what is going on where the power to change lies.  I hope that you can see this video:-

https://twitter.com/i/status/1410300881761882112

 

@DrSpudnik.  I agree.  Except that I hope we will never get to that situation.  Oil, and especially coal, are beyond their Tipping Point and demand increases.  We will need oil in the forseeable future for many things other than energy, such as plastics, maintenance oils and greases but they will go too if we do not stop guzzling ouil today - and I mean, TODAY!

 

DrSpudnik

I agree with the need to get off petrochemicals, but I've been saying that for over 30 years and it looks like the interests in petrochemicals are too well connected to dislodge without market forces squeezing them out. I'm hoping we don't destroy the life-sustaining capacity of the planet in the meantime.