Claim button shows at 40 vs 59 pts ???

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Exztnz

I just played a game and my opponent had 40 points (king and one bishop) whereas I had 59 points (queen and other pieces).

The "claim this win" button showed, but why? It's the same as resign, which means the opponent gets 60 points and I'm with 59 points.

ChessMasterGS

Insufficient material means it’s +10/+10 as opposed to +20/0 afaik

JkCheeseChess
Exztnz wrote:

I just played a game and my opponent had 40 points (king and one bishop) whereas I had 59 points (queen and other pieces).

The "claim this win" button showed, but why? It's the same as resign, which means the opponent gets 60 points and I'm with 59 points.

insufficient material

epicfiwy

i agree with posts 2 and 3

wolyn

According to FIDE rules, king+bishop can theoretically win against king+pawn (see Helpmate)

JkCheeseChess
wolyn wrote:

According to FIDE rules, king+bishop can theoretically win against king+pawn (see Helpmate)

i don't think that matters in this context but as long as the opponent doesn't trap himself in the corner it should be fine

wolyn

https://www.chess.com/variants/4-player-chess/game/72287613

I'm surprised he wasn't allowed to claim the win before he took the last three useless yellow pawns.

ChessMasterGS
JkCheeseChess wrote:
wolyn wrote:

According to FIDE rules, king+bishop can theoretically win against king+pawn (see Helpmate)

i don't think that matters in this context but as long as the opponent doesn't trap himself in the corner it should be fine

Additionally, chess.com uses USCF (not FIDE) rules (where helpmates are generally ignored) on the live server, so it would make more sense for variants to follow this logic as well for parity reasons.

HagibisCLXXX

is your queen 1 point

Darksquareman

Helpmate should be implemented in the live serve imo -- if king + pawn wins on time verses king+bishop, doesn't that win also involve helpmate -- i. e. the losing side would have to make many stupid moves to lose, so it is effectively the same as a bishop and king mating the opposing king in the corner.

wolyn

In my opinion, the USCF rule should be understood in such a way that when a player forfeits on time, all of their pieces except the king are considered to be removed from the board. Then if the opposing player has sufficient material to force a checkmate against a lone king, they are awarded the win. The help is a bit limited.