Colonizing the universe

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aspen101

How far are the human race from colonizing the universe?

It's been a dream of humans for millenia to move into space.

Will I see a moon base with in the next 20 years? Why not ?

Will  we see mining of astroids soon ?

There is a concept , the space elevator on the table, only a few billion dollars. Is there a more benifitial project , for the human race,  anyware?

aspen101

Elroch

I like the space elevator idea, but I'm not really convinced it is practical engineering. The strongest material (carbon nanotubes) is scarcely strong enough in tiny quantities, and may not be possible to achieve on the huge scale required. One fault in the structure, a rip and ...

The moon is a nice challenge, offers several interesting scientific possibilities, but is a vast, expensive effort. Compare it to much easier spots like the South pole or the bottom of the ocean. Space is a bit like a huge desert, mostly very inhospitable and with huge transport costs between the places that are not quite so bad. Asteroid mining is appealling, but the material mined would have to be stupendously valuable to justify the cost until some sort of automated self-replicating technology leverages the cost of getting there.

Concerning Mars, no-one has adequately addressed the fact that the exposure to radiation involved for a human is a huge problem. It would be like being in the Fukushima recovery crew for a couple of years.

The human exploration and even maybe the colonisation of space will happen, but we're not close to ready. I want to see much more advanced unmanned exploration with intelligent automata. They can show us everything we could find by going there.

I must sound really cynical. Smile

aspen101

Didn't know that about corbon nano tubes, the articel i read specifficaly refering to CNT as part of the solution. There must be a better way to reach space than chemical rockets, my humble opinion.

Don't believe that money should be an obstical, personally i can't think of many better project to spend money on. Sure, there are may worthwile cause on earth.  

Mine's here on earth are also inhospitable place's, just a bit easier than space. Mining the sea, espesially deep is extremly expensive.

Really think we've got to grip with the danger's of radiation, and it's really dangers stuff.  Fukusima really is a sad situation although it also proves that we've come a long way to liveing in harmony with nucleur power.

Purely from a progress point of view i ask myself if these souldn't be some of the objects we sould be striving for ?

smifffy
Once we master how to manipulate time , then long distance space travel will be possible. Our current understanding of the universe does not allow this. If aliens do visit our planet , then it is possible , we need a Einstein of the present day to come up with some new radical ideas. I personally don't see the point of sending men to mars , which will take ages and reveil not much. Once we can manipulate time , then it's worth spending lots of cash investigating the cosmos.
aspen101

Sure smiffy. Even though there is such a thing as time dilation i think we missunderstand the impact of it.

Yes time is another dimension, and the only way i can understand the theory of relativity is via the lorenzo transformations, as a mathimatical and theoritical phinomina.

From a practical and logical point i don't think time travel is possible. Again just my humbel opinion, no impercal proof either way, other than the "time dilation experiment".

smifffy
I think it's all about the spin of the atom. If it's possible to slow it down , then the energy will be changed from rotational to linear. Atoms must be in a completely different time zone , if they spin at close to the speed of light. By slowing down the spin , would altar it's place in space time allowing it to move linearly , which is what we perceive as momentum
aspen101

Yes, and all that only happens at atom, photon, elctron level. The rule's of nature and phisics at that level are not the same as the human scale. Some curve ball.

viettrekkie20

There will be a space war between the states and the world. The Dotard is going to make sure that the states develop the first space force. He is, in effect, breaking the treaty that states that space is not to be militarized by any power. With the states creating a space force, that will make the Russians and Chinese build their own space forces also. Unless the Dotard is overthrown, assassinated, or removed from power somehow, life on this planet is in danger of extinction because of the madman controlling the world's second largest number of nukes in the world.

With that said, I do not see any colonization of any place in the multiverse without war. We humans are never going to be advanced as long as the Dotard and his kind exist on this planet. Not only is he destabilizing the world, he is destroying everything science stands for. Colonization will not happen anytime soon now because of the tense relationship between the states and the world.

RPaulB

The elements , molecules break apart at very, very small velocities for all particles.  We can not build a space craft that will not do that.   But what we can do is fly around here at very low velocities.

viettrekkie20

Our universe (multiverse) is too vast for us to colonize. We don't even have the technology to explore the entire multiverse, let alone colonize it. We will never have the technology to go to every place in our multiverse.

RPaulB

The elements , molecules break apart at very, very small velocities for all particles. We can not build a space craft that will not do that. But what we can do is fly around here at very low velocities.   That's it.

viettrekkie20
smifffy wrote:
Once we master how to manipulate time , then long distance space travel will be possible. Our current understanding of the universe does not allow this. If aliens do visit our planet , then it is possible , we need a Einstein of the present day to come up with some new radical ideas. I personally don't see the point of sending men to mars , which will take ages and reveil not much. Once we can manipulate time , then it's worth spending lots of cash investigating the cosmos.

Jacob Barnett. He is the current "Einstein." He has an ICQ ten points higher than Einstein. He graduated high school at age eight and went to college at age ten. He was working on his PhD at age fifteen. He was either going to debunk the Big Bang Theory or make it better. He was going to do the same with Einstein's Theory of Relativity.

RPaulB

NO, Space travel  (fast) will NEVER be possible because the atoms break apart.  You and the space craft will be dust.      Who is Jacob Barnett ?

ponz111

Having an IQ ten points higher than Einstein does not mean someone is smarter or as smart as Einstein.  Einstein had imagination and other intellectual qualities.

 

viettrekkie20
RPaulB wrote:

NO, Space travel  (fast) will NEVER be possible because the atoms break apart.  You and the space craft will be dust.      Who is Jacob Barnett ?

They are creating a warp drive now as we are discussing about space travel. Jacob Barnett was a child prodigy who graduated high school at the age of 8 and started college at age 10. I believe he is known as the next Albert Einstein. He was working on a PhD at age 15. You can look him up. He has Asperger's Syndrome.

viettrekkie20
ponz111 wrote:

Having an IQ ten points higher than Einstein does not mean someone is smarter or as smart as Einstein.  Einstein had imagination and other intellectual qualities.

 

Well, that is true, but in Jacob's case, he is very intelligent. He was going to either improve the Big Bang Theory or debunk it. He was going to debunk or improve Einstein's Theory of Relativity. He will become very important in the scientific community. I believe he will be a huge changer in the scientific community. Maybe, he plays chess also??

viettrekkie20

You can research him and decide for yourself.

As for the warp drive, here is wiki:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive

viettrekkie20
BorgQueen wrote:
viettrekkie20 wrote:

They are creating a warp drive now as we are discussing about space travel...

 

viettrekkie20 wrote:

...As for the warp drive, here is wiki:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive

From the link you provided:

"is a speculative idea ".

and

"Alcubierre has expressed skepticism about the experiment, saying: "from my understanding there is no way it can be done, probably not for centuries if at all""

...

Hardly the "they are creating it now" claim you stated.

Seriously dude, pull your head in.  Making outrageous fictitious claims in an Astrology arena is not going to win you any points.

I do not care about Astrology. I care about Astronomy.

https://www.iflscience.com/space/nasa-reveals-latest-warp-drive-ship-designs

viettrekkie20
BorgQueen wrote:

Yes, I typed astrology instead of astronomy.  Pretty sure you knew what I meant.  

But your bullshit claim of "they are making warp drive now" is still ridiculous and completely unsubstantiated.

Even that latest link is nothing but a 3d artists rendition of a concept that is not proven at all.  "they" are NOT building anything such as a "warp drive", and certainly not "now".  Which is what you claimed.  They have a theory and have thus far not found a single warp bubble that will help.  It's all nothing more than a theory.  An interesting one... but still a theory.

If you really care about astronomy, then stick to the facts and don't make ridiculous claims.  

I really don't tolerate bullshit lightly when it comes to astrophysics.

Like a typical Internet troll, you never address points raised against your statements, and instead nitpick and shove another off-topic link to something that neither proves your point nor disproves anyone else's.

Now either put up some concrete evidence that "they are making warp drive now" or shut up.

I am NOT a troll!!