DATABASES: cheating or not

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Avatar of blackfirestorm

This is a continuation from group notes about whether databases are allowed or not ... I am sick of getting alerts about "Databases are not cheating but I believe it is"

  • View profileI am responding to you lot chatting about them ... guess its ok for some but not others huh by blackfirestorm666 111 seconds ago Delete
  • View profilelol Donna.... you said don't discuss it here, but you just did yourself... :) G'nut everyone.... have a good day/night... morn/avo, by Chess_Nut 2 minutes ago
  • View profileWell with all due respect this issue has been thrashed out tonnes IN the cheating forum about how a few people think using databases is cheating. It IS in the site rules so it isn't cheating but a few DO hold that belief ... which is fine it is their prerogative but this isn't the place to be chatting about databases is it?by blackfirestorm666 5 minutes ago Delete
  • View profileit is not pertaining to cheating in any way thoughby tournamentguy 10 minutes ago
  • View profileMaybe this discussion is better placed in the cheating forum not in the notes to the fortnightly speed vote chess league?by blackfirestorm666 23 minutes ago Delete
  • View profile"I even hate the use of databases during rated games... but they are legal so I have to shut my mouth on that one" that is the pure essence of CORRESPONDANCE chess. People use this site to play chess in the wrong way, correspondance chess is supposed to be a way to play optimal chess with research, databases, books, all sorts of references. People slap the time limit down to one move and try and make it something it is not. if anything, they should encourage everyone to study opening by tournamentguy 25 minutes ago
  • View profileWOW Johnno.. High 5! I like your thinking... and that is what is is.. thinking for yourself... :D by Chess_Nut 4 hours ago
  • View profileI for one am against the use of ALL databases mainly because computer moves exist in them all.by Panmumu 4 hours ago
  • View profileI am all for databases being used for practice, and study, for unrated games... but not in rated games, important games... study beforehand with them, or after, I have no problem with that.... but I am of a minority, I know that... but have spoken to many who do feel the same... I have been abused too because of my opinion on this... but c'est la vie...by Chess_Nut 13 hours ago
  • View profileand also Conman, I think that only maybe encourages teams to use them themselves? I dunno.... just the word Rykba makes me CRINGE!! I even hate the use of databases during rated games... but they are legal so I have to shut my mouth on that one.... I never stop anyone using them, as I can't if they are legal... by Chess_Nut 13 hours ago
Avatar of blackfirestorm

There you go you can chat to your hearts content about whether databases are cheating I am not tracking this thread

Avatar of keeeganomahoneey

of course they're not, I know everyone is entitled to their opinion but if you want them to be illegal then play live chess or OTB chess. The whole point of correspondance chess is that you can use databases, books etc to help you.

Avatar of MikeDoyle

I was shocked to learn that some correspondence chess tournaments actually allow use of computer programs!

As far as the type of correspondence chess we play here on chess.com, I agree with Keegan.  The rules of turn-based chess on chess.com are quite explicit - use of books, databases that do not contain computer evaluation numbers (like the one at chessok.com - that one is not allowed) are part of the game.  Those who don't like those rules can play live chess or play on another site that has rules more to their liking.  

The only database I personally use for games here is the chess.com database.  There aren't any computer games in it.  One can argue that in more recent games, some of the players may have used computer games to prepare, but that's not a valid point.  There is no way to tell if they did or didn't for one thing, and anyway, they certainly didn't when they played the actual games. I typically run out of database moves by move 5 anyway and certainly by move 8. Those moves are really just the main lines in standard openings, so for me, it's a lazy shortcut to looking up the actual opening in the ECO, which I also do sometimes.  It's most definitely not OTB, and never was intended to be.

Avatar of tournamentguy

Simple and true. I don't mean this as an attack to anyone, but I find that the vast majority of people who do not like databases are...well...weaker players. I think there might be a relation to the two things.

Avatar of MuzeY

The ability to play a game of correspondence chess without continuous reference to databases is what separates us from the animals.

Avatar of tournamentguy

I think you mean with instead of without... Last I checked animals can't check databases.