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Avatar of DaanB100

Maybe yes. After Kxe7 white also has 13. freeze@f7 Bg5. If we go freeze@f4 bxc4, then Nf3 and we either have to sack the rook or give up the knight. However, we can also try 13... freeze@f4 h6. 14. Bxe6, Rxg5. which looks really good for us I think. Edit: nvm I forgot that whites jump is on cooldown, so white will never go for this

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If we go for 13... jump@e4 Bxg2 then a possible continuation could be 14. freeze@f7 Bg5, freeze@f4 Bxh1 15. Nh3, Rxg5 16. Nxg5, Bg2 17. Nxf7, Nc6. Here we are up a piece, but down a jump. I'm generally not a fan of having a jump spell disadvantage, and our development looks a bit behind, but maybe you guys think its fine. Lets consider some other moves too.

What about something like 13... Rxe2 14. Nh3, Na6 15. Bg5, Rxg5 16. Nxg5, jump@e4 Bxh1? It's pretty similar, but we are a bit more developed. 
It's hard to say which is best because there are many possible options for both white and black

Avatar of Fleex255

I think white can also just hold on to the bishop pair if jump@e4&Bxg2, in which case it will be very unpleasant for us to play without a jump.

In the end of the Rxg2 line, I think our bishop gets trapped? 17. O-O-O Bg2 18. Rg1 seems like an issue unless I've missed something, which is definitely possible.

At first glance I kind of like 13... Na6 to get some development of our own before white comes in with the knight. I think this relies on Rg6 working in 14. Nh3 Rg6 15. freeze@f7&Bg5 freeze@g4&h6, which it seems like it does but I'm not certain. (Edit: forgot to mention the main point, 15. Bg5 Ke8.)

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If we go Ng4, then white has 15. h3, Nxe5 16. Rh2. I can't find a line where freeze + check leads to anything good here. Bf3 maybe? If we go 15... Bxh1 instead then 16. hxg4, Rxg4 17. Nh3 and white looks better.
If we go Nd5, then white has 15. freeze@f7 Bg5+, freeze@g5 Bxh1 16. Bxd5+, Rxg5. 17. Bxh1, Rxg1+ 18. jump@e1 Rxg1, Nc6. Looks pretty equal, but white has the active rook.

If Nh5, then jump@h2 Rxh5. If Ne8, jump@h2 Rxh7.
Not sure what to do...

Avatar of MaldiniGoatDefender

Lemme think

Avatar of MaldiniGoatDefender

Ng4 then, take rook next turn, up a rook can sac the exchange later if needed

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17. Nh3 then 17. Ke8?

Avatar of DaanB100

I like Nc6 here. I feel Nxc3 might be too greedy

Avatar of Fleex255

At first I was thinking 18... Na5, but the position goes bad following 19. c4.

What about 18... Nb6 with the idea of Bd5 to discover an attack on white's knight and back rank? By itself it's kind of passive, but at least it supports our rook on c8, alleviating some of our bank rank issues. Seems better than Nde7 at least.

Avatar of DaanB100

Nb6 is a good option but I was looking at Bh1 to attack the knight immediately.
- If white goes O-O-O then I think we have Nxc3. For example: 20. Bxc3, Nd4 21. Kb2, Rg2+.
- If white goes Nh3 then maybe Nce7 to attack the c pawn? Then later Nf5 to stop the f pawn from pushing and limiting the dark square bishop movement

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What about Nce7? We attack the c pawn, and maybe we can put the knight on g6 later to put pressure on the f pawn

Avatar of Fleex255

After Nce7, white can play c4 to deal with the attack. I think only white's queenside position is improving after that. I'm also concerned about our back rank: we wouldn't really be threatening white's back rank due to the threat of Rh8+ winning back a lot of material.

Bh1 seems OK at first glance. White has Ne2 and I'm not sure either side has anything extremely exciting.

Avatar of MaldiniGoatDefender

19. Bf3? (Sorry y’all for disappearing)

Avatar of DaanB100

Bf3 looks really good, white has a lot of problems if we take the knight

Avatar of MaldiniGoatDefender

White has a checkmating idea if we ever move the g8 rook off the 8th rank, that’s by checking on h8 with freeze, pushing f5 then f6+#. If we check them using rook n pick up the bishop, we lose the exchange after a sequence: Rg2+ Kf3 Rxd2 freeze@d7 Rh8+ freeze@g7 Rxd3+ Ke2 Ke7 Rxc8 Nxc8 Kxd3. 2 knights vs bishop+rook. Conclusion is we probably don’t play Rg2+

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Freeze knight check ig

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They go f5 we go Rxc3, if Ke3 we fork them with Nxf5+, if Kf2 we play Rxd3, If Kd1 then Rxd3 (Rg1+ is a threat). Well in all cases after Rxc3 they’re getting borderline laddered. It doesn’t look good for them.

Avatar of MaldiniGoatDefender

Haha f5 as expected, any ideas what we should do if not Rxc3?

Avatar of DaanB100

Rxc3 looks game over. White can't go Ke3 because of a knight fork. Any other king move and we go Rxd3 I guess. There should be too many threats to handle

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23. Rxd3 if 24. Be3 we just take and fork next move