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hello dear Groovy's,

today I was once again worthy of being broken up by a chess god. No, not Carlsen, Diren or any other grandmaster.

No, it was a chessgod with an Elo of less than 900. Since this is a themed tournament, it wasn't my usual bird opening and my accuracy wasn't exactly that great either, only 72%. but 98.3% of the enemy leaves me totally enlightened -)

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To be fair, there isn’t many moves made. If there was 40+ more and their accuracy was 85+ then I’d run a check. You also have to account for textbook openings and variants.

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I'm not blaming either. I also noticed that there were few chess moves. However, according to my engine, every move he made was perfect. and not mine -)

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I save all games that I have played over 90% myself. Nonetheless, I think it looks different. Look here

https://www.chess.com/analysis/library/3gQDhbHxSr

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Benners23 wrote:

To be fair, there isn’t many moves made. If there was 40+ more and their accuracy was 85+ then I’d run a check. You also have to account for textbook openings and variants.

Can you run a check on Chess.com? I've had many instances where I would have loved to do that

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To be fair 40% of his moves were book moves. You might have just run into someone who knows one line of one opening really well and you played straight into that. Check other games on their account. If they're playing every game at 90%+ then you might have a cheat on your hands. It's really hard to judge someone as a cheater based on a single game

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please remain factual. I never said it was a cheater! But interesting that you think about it!!

I also wrote above that it is/was a themed tournament. In the picture here the starting position only with swapped colors. That also explains your and benner's book theory…. Again, I didn't say he was a cheater, but I don't think you're right about having to watch all of his games either. I can only cheat in one game. Or like here in a final round of a tournament that has been running since January. —- It was clear to me when I created the thread that there would be negative comments (- apart from the fact that it is a tournament without scoring, everyone can do whatever they want here. I can only learn from it if someone beats me with 98.3% . I just check every game —- and was buff about the %. —-

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There’s no negative comments in this post, maybe you’ve misunderstood? 

We all encounter cheaters, I’m currently in an end game position against a suspect player as we speak. It is unfortunately very hard to get chess.com to act on it, but when they do, they ban their account.

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NB most people or quite a lot refer to engines for opening variations, that is a given, or just have wonderfully didactic memories it is after the 12 move that things should start to vary, I personally having spent a lot of time on chess computing algorithms being a data scientist and numerical computation specialist, find anyone with a rating of less than 2000 who can play beyond 20 moves with 98% accuracy repeatedly for a whole game,highly unlikely and near impossible . This is a simple pragmatic fact,take it from a programmer well versed in stockfishes algorithm and new neural net variants. This probably has a probability of less than 1 in 3 million on the generous side. I am afraid my friend stock fish out played you, and he played you for a sucker.

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Chess com does act I have repeatedly reported ridiculously obvious low rated cheats who suddenly play like grandmasters. But yes Chess com does never inform you of the outcome of your referral. I do not think they suspend players but monitor and warn them maybe?

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chess com is a commercial enterprise and does want to err on the side of leniency to not create a lot of ill will amongst disgruntled new afficionados tempted by technology after constantly losing.

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I’ve looked at their last 4/5 wins and it appears they’re a GM, BUT seem to forget their openings in timed games…

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To some people loss in even chess is devastating to their egos and they find it difficult to accept repeatedly.

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Vernalobos wrote:
Benners23 wrote:

To be fair, there isn’t many moves made. If there was 40+ more and their accuracy was 85+ then I’d run a check. You also have to account for textbook openings and variants.

Can you run a check on Chess.com? I've had many instances where I would have loved to do that

If you pay the top tier sub you get better in depth analysis. I usually run that and then compare their daily games against their timed/bullet/blitz games because if you know theory then you’ll play it in quick games.

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I have aim chess decode chess chess 365 and chessgames amongst online engines and 3 or 4 offline engines, and I have a top tier subscription If you send me your game link I will do a thorough analysis, I think 40 + moves is letting the obvious go too far. Intervention is called for after really 10 or twenty near perfect moves in the middle game for any player rated less than 1500 , absolutely. Notice with all these tools my ranking is basically the bottom 5%, I am a naturally untalented chess player desperately trying to improve, but you will actually not improve by cheating, once the aid is gone you are back to witless, you learn little from stockfish et als, moves, which are by and large not intuitive to less than 2000 rated players.

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I will set myself a challeng today to estimate the statistical likelihood a runs of perfect moves for less than 1500 players. It will take awhile ok, GT BK 2 u.

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Here is a temporary fix chess365 I think has membership by donation probably the cheapest access to stockfish or you can download arena desktop app free open source and download the stock fish engine also open source and play as your opponent after you make your move make the opponents move with stockfish to see what they will play, chessdb is a great free desktop chess database also. however, these are not that simple to download and run, I think arena is easiest free engine and game analysis app to monitor an opponent in real time. If they start playing lines of Petrosian, Karpov , Fischer, or Alekhine, you know something smells fishy , very stockFISHY.

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I personally disagree with stockfishes suggestions for nearly all my possible moves, but gee, it seems stockfish is smarter than me, but at least I play my own game.

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Of note to anyone I am very confused by the quick chessgames rules, I get elated and win one or two at low level then get thrashed and completely confused game after game I usually give after about 5 or 6 games I am not sure what the hell is going on in quick chess. I have a masters in Law and Operations research, Undergraduate econometrics degree and studied to PHD level but insufficient time or money to pursue unnecessary qualifications. And no amount of alleged logic and numeracy and literacy High Level IQ, helps you with real-time chess. I studied one year of logic so yes I understand why my chess is bad, lack of connection, prophylaxis and overlooking in anticipation of your own moves, but it is hard to change bad habits, unbelievably hard. So people who rely on stock fish need to be reported for their own well being to make them regress to their their natural game and pull their egos down to size and face reality. We all need a reckoning some time in our lives.

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277jah hat geschrieben:

NB most people or quite a lot refer to engines for opening variations, that is a given, or just have wonderfully didactic memories it is after the 12 move that things should start to vary, I personally having spent a lot of time on chess computing algorithms being a data scientist and numerical computation specialist, find anyone with a rating of less than 2000 who can play beyond 20 moves with 98% accuracy repeatedly for a whole game,highly unlikely and near impossible . This is a simple pragmatic fact,take it from a programmer well versed in stockfishes algorithm and new neural net variants. This probably has a probability of less than 1 in 3 million on the generous side. I am afraid my friend stock fish out played you, and he played you for a sucker.

thank you thank you thank you. …. I was very happy to hear that from a professional. It's not about getting it right, but it can't be that some people turn a blind eye to reality. Personally, I always play around 100 daily chess a day. In my rating range. Side note, at Lichess I have a rating of over 1800 Elo with over 830 games played. Average opponent rating is over 1530 Elo. (Lichess name Vaile07, if you don't believe it) I personally don't think this is my correct rating either, but it's amazing how players with a rating far below 1000 Elo dissect me. Sure that can always happen !! And yes, I don't think it's great, and yes I have depressive days, so I know from the start: oh dear, today it won't work because I don't give a fuck. Some here have played against me here and may have wondered why I actually play well against them, but then every once in a while I do something completely idiotic or drop a character(- Still you have a feeling for the situation and I personally think that the The number of unreported cases here is very very high. You don't have to cheat the whole game, maybe only every 2nd move,... or only in the endgame, or, ...oh, I don't know -) I could imagine that it's because there are always team fights here are or tournaments that entices players to do so. On Lichess I only played solo dailichess. As I mentioned before, this can only make my chess better,.. but when I run the game analysis over it, like after every game, then I have to laugh out loud when it says that my opponent played with over 98%. (I would play on Lichess against an opponent who has 200 Elo more, i.e. over 2000 Elo, and I would then have 98% .... that's absurd !!! ) Here I played over 570 games of Daily Chess, 9 of them with over 90% won. Usually around 91-92%... In each of these games, the opponent had lost a piece, which I didn't have in said game. After that, it can happen that you win with more than 90%. But 90% is not 98.3% either -)