I am waiting for 1.3 with board setup, but I found something curious... I know that example is silly, but Be7??
Looked at this one. The analysis actually crashes after 1 ply. If you analyse after the other moves the ply depth increases with time (first number in analysis line). But not after 2 g4 - it stays stuck at one.
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Too bad I still didn't have the chance to run a Fritz vs. Shredder match - as I did before tChess Pro vs. ChessGenius (winner CG) and ChessGenius vs. Glaurung (winner G) - but that's how I feel after playing all these engines myself. In fact, I would be even more interested to confront Fritz with Glaurung, my second favourite app. If anyone is interested in this, feel free to contact me as I cannot perform the test with a single iPhone.
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Actually you can do a match with one iPhone, you just have to be patient. Start first program iPhone as white, get first move, start second program iPhone as black, enter move and get response, go back to first program, etc.
I played Glaurung vs Fritz in this manner, first with Glaurung at 30 sec/move, and Fritz with no clock. Fritz at times would take 5 min or more per move, if I got bored waiting I would force a move after 2 -3 min. Glaurung would take 30 sec every move, no matter if the move was obviously the only sensible one.
Glaurung seems to have a deeper opening book.
The results of a two match test was Glaurung winning as white and drawing as black
Second test was a 30' + 5" blitz setup. This seemed a lot more even in terms of time that the programs would take to move. Glaurung would get about 2 min behind in the mid game, then catch up by the end.
Again, the results of a two match test was Glaurung winning as white and drawing as black. (Fritz actually lost as white on time, but it was a draw position, and neither program offers a draw, I think)
Combined with my earlier test of Glaurung over Shredder, as far as I am concerned, Glaurung is the reigning champion.
I can post the games if you wish.
yes please
Here you go! - Posted in the order I played them. Time settings in Event - NC=No Clock. I should add that Glaurung's book variety was set to high.
[Event "Glaurung 30s - Fritz NC"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2009-07-11"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Glaurung"]
[Black "Fritz"]
[Result "1-0"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. d4 Nxe4 4. Bd3 d5 5. Nxe5 Bd6 6. O-O O-O 7. c4 Bxe5 8.
dxe5 Nc6 9. cxd5 Qxd5 10. Qc2 Nb4 11. Bxe4 Nxc2 12. Bxd5 Bf5 13. g4 Bg6 14. f4
Bd3 15. Rd1 Ba6 16. Be4 Nxa1 17. Be3 Rfd8 18. Nd2 Nc2 19. Bxc2 Be2 20. Rc1 Bxg4 21. Be4 c6 22. Nc4 g6 23. Nd6 Rd7 24. Kg2 Rad8 25. a3 a6 26. Kg3 Bh5 27. Bb6 Rf8 28. Bc5 Rfd8 29. Bd3 h6 30. Re1 a5 31. Bb6 Ra8 32. Bc4 Kg7 33. Bd4 Kf8 34. b3 b5 35. Bd3 b4 36. a4 Kg8 37. Rc1 Re7 38. Rxc6 Bd1 39. Bc4 Bh5 40. Ne4 Rd8 41. Bc5 Rb7 42. Nd6 Rdb8 43. Nxb7 Rxb7 44. Ra6 Kg7 45. Rxa5 g5 46. Rb5 Rd7 47. a5 Bg6 48. a6 Be4 49. Rxb4 Bc6 50. a7 Rd2 51. f5 Rg2+ 52. Kh3 Bf3 53. Rb8 g4+ 54. Kh4 Rxh2+ 55. Kg3 Rg2+ 56. Kf4
1-0
[Event "30 + 5"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2009-07-11"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Fritz"]
[Black "Glaurung"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 g6 3. c4 Bg7 4. g3 O-O 5. Bg2 d6 6. O-O Nbd7 7. Nc3 e5 8. e4
exd4 9. Nxd4 Re8 10. Bg5 h6 11. Bf4 Nh5 12. Be3 Ne5 13. Qe2 Ng4 14. Rad1 Bd7
15. Bc1 a6 16. h3 Ne5 17. Nf5 gxf5 18. Qxh5 Nxc4 19. exf5 Rb8 20. Bd5 Qf6 21.
Bxc4 Qxf5 22. Qxf5 Bxf5 23. Kg2 b5 24. Bb3 Be6 25. Nd5 Rbc8 26. Bc2 c5 27. Ne3
Rcd8 28. Nf5 Bxa2 29. Nxh6+ Kf8 30. Nf5 Bc4 31. Bd3 Bxd3 32. Rxd3 d5 33. Rfd1
d4 34. Bf4 Re6 35. g4 Bf6 36. R3d2 Kg8 37. h4 Kh7 38. h5 c4 39. Nh6 Rd7 40. g5
Bg7 41. Nxf7 Rxf7 42. g6+ Rxg6+ 43. hxg6+ Kxg6 44. Kf3 Kf5 45. Ra1 Be5 46. Bxe5
Kxe5+ 47. Kg2 Rf6 48. Re1+ Kd5 49. f3 Rg6+ 50. Kf2 Rh6 51. Kg3 Rg6+ 52. Kf4 d3
53. Kf5 Rh6 54. f4 Rh7 55. Kg6 Rh3 56. f5 b4 57. Rg2 c3 58. f6 c2 59. f7 Rf3
60. Kg7 Kc4 61. f8=Q Rxf8 62. Kxf8 Kb3 63. Ke7 Kxb2 64. Re6 b3 65. Rxa6 Kc1 66.
Ra1+ Kb2 67. Ra8 Kc1 68. Rg1+ Kd2 69. Rb8 Kc3 70. Rc8+ Kb2
1/2-1/2
[Event "30 + 5"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2009-07-12"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Glaurung"]
[Black "Fritz"]
[Result "1-0"]
1. d4 f5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. g3 e6 4. Bg2 Be7 5. O-O O-O 6. c4 d5 7. b3 c6 8. Ba3
Bxa3 9. Nxa3 Qe7 10. Qc1 b6 11. Nc2 dxc4 12. bxc4 Bb7 13. Ng5 Na6 14. Rd1 Rae8 15. Ne3 Qc7 16. Qb1 Kh8 17. a4 g6 18. a5 bxa5 19. Qa2 h6 20. Nf3 f4 21. gxf4 Ne4 22. Ne5 Nc3 23. Qc2 Nxd1 24. Nxg6+ Kg7 25. Rxd1 Nb4 26. Qb1 Rf6 27. Ne5 h5 28. Qe4 Kg8 29. Qf3 Qh7 30. Qg3+ Kh8 31. Qg5 Ref8 32. Ra1 c5 33. dxc5 Bxg2 34. Nxg2 Na6 35. Kf1 Nxc5 36. Nh4 Ne4 37. Neg6+ Kg8 38. Nxf8+ Nxg5 39. Nxh7 Nxh7 40. e3 Rf7 41. Nf3 Nf6 42. Rxa5 Re7 43. Re5 Kg7 44. Ke2 Rc7 45. c5 Nd7 46. Nd4 Nxe5 47. Nxe6+ Kf6 48. Nxc7 Nc6 49. Nd5+ Kf7 50. Kd3 a5 51. e4 h4 52. Kc4 Ke8 53. Kb5 Nd4+ 54. Kxa5 Kd8 55. Kb6 Kd7 56. f5 Ke8 57. c6 Nxc6 58. Kxc6 Kd8 59. e5 Ke8 60. e6
1-0
[Event "Glaurung 30s - Fritz NC"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2009-07-12"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Fritz"]
[Black "Glaurung"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
1. Nf3 g6 2. e4 c5 3. Bc4 Bg7 4. O-O Nc6 5. Nc3 e6 6. d3 Nge7 7. Bg5 O-O 8. Qd2
f6 9. Bh6 Bxh6 10. Qxh6 d5 11. Bb3 Nd4 12. Nxd4 cxd4 13. Ne2 dxe4 14. dxe4 Nc6 15. Rad1 f5 16. c3 fxe4 17. Nxd4 Qf6 18. Nxc6 bxc6 19. Rd6 c5 20. Qe3 Qe5 21. Rc6 c4 22. Rxc4 Bb7 23. Rd1 Rf7 24. Rcd4 Kg7 25. Qh3 Re8 26. Rd7 Ree7 27. Rxe7 Rxe7 28. Qe3 Bd5 29. c4 Bc6 30. Rd4 Rf7 31. Bd1 a5 32. a3 a4 33. g3 h6 34. Rd2 Rb7 35. f4 Qc7 36. Qc5 Kf7 37. Bg4 h5 38. Be2 Qb6 39. Qxb6 Rxb6 40. c5 Rb8 41. Kf2 Ke7 42. Bd1 Rf8 43. Rd6 Rc8 44. Ke3 Bb5 45. b4 axb3 46. Bxb3 Bd7 47. Kd4 Ra8 48. Rb6 Rxa3 49. Kxe4 Ra7 50. Kd4 Bc8 51. Bc4 Ra4 52. Rd6 Rb4 53. Rc6 Kd7 54. Rb6 Ra4 55. Rd6+ Ke7 56. h4 Ra1 57. Bd3 Rg1 58. Bxg6 Rxg3 59. Bxh5 Rh3 60. Be2 Rxh4 61. Ke5 Rh2 62. Bf3 Rc2 63. Rc6 Kd8 64. Be4 Rc1 65. Kd4 Rf1 66. Rb6 Rxf4 67. Ke5 Rh4 68. Rb5 Kc7 69. Ra5 Bb7 70. Bd3 Bd5 71. Bg6 Rh8 72. Ra1 Kc6 73. Rc1 Rg8 74. Kf6 e5 75. Bc2 Rg4 76. Bd3 e4 77. Be2 Rg2 78. Bh5 Rg8 79. Kf5 Rh8 80. Bd1 Ra8 81. Ke5 Ra5 82. Kd4 Ra3 83. Rc3 Rxc3 84. Ba4+ Kc7 85. Kxc3 e3 86. Kd3 e2 87. Kxe2 Bh1 88. Ke3 Bg2 89. Kd4 Bf1 90. Be8 Be2 91. Kd5 Bd1 92. Ke4 Bc2+ 93. Kd4 Bb1 94. Bf7 Bc2 95. Bd5 Bb1 96. Bf3 Ba2 97. Bg4 Bb1 98. Bh3 Ba2 99. Bg2 Bb1 100. Ke5 Ba2 101. Be4 Bb3 102. Kd4 Bd1 103. Bd5 Bc2 104. Ke5 Bb1 105. Ba8 Ba2 106. Kd4 Bb1 107. Kc3 Ba2 108. Bh1 Bb1 109. Bf3 Ba2 110. Be4 Be6
1/2-1/2
thanks! very interesting! I have always liked glaurung style
Looked at this one. The analysis actually crashes after 1 ply. If you analyse after the other moves the ply depth increases with time (first number in analysis line). But not after 2 g4 - it stays stuck at one.
All in all, quote...
Fritz Chess-Iphone: The iPhone Fritz engine omitted some parts of the analysis, as it optimizes the searching for possibilities. We need to check that with Mathias Feist. I'm going to pass the image to the developers, so they can see if there is something we can do.
Once again for your amusement ;)
Fritz 1.3 update is available on app store as of today
Still no Hiarcs :(
Fritz 1.3 update is available on app store as of today
Still no Hiarcs :(
Yay!
Damn..
From Hiarcs. net (Harvey W. - Hiarcs Team Admin writing)
"all the delays are due to the IRS in America it has been ready for months - but i smell it coming soon."
I regret buying fritz instead of shredder...
From Hiarcs. net (Harvey W. - Hiarcs Team Admin writing)
"all the delays are due to the IRS in America it has been ready for months - but i smell it coming soon."
I couldn't take it anymore, so I contacted Hiarcs support today and got this in reply:
"Hi Michael,
"
YAY!
@MikeDr17: I knew you can play a game on the same iPhone if you are patient, but I believe the results may not be very accurate, as you are interrupting the program's log after each move you make. When you open the other engine and execute a move, it has to evaluate the position from the beginning, so...
But I have to notice that your results are exactly what I expected after playing both programs myself, they looked quite even in strength to me. However, if we want to have a clear winner we'll have to use two iPhones, set the same time controls and play 10 games, switching colors each time. If someone has iPhone 3GS, the other device has to be 3GS too, as the new processor is much faster and one of the programs would have a huge advantage over the other.
@MikeDr17: I knew you can play a game on the same iPhone if you are patient, but I believe the results may not be very accurate, as you are interrupting the program's log after each move you make. When you open the other engine and execute a move, it has to evaluate the position from the beginning, so...
But I have to notice that your results are exactly what I expected after playing both programs myself, they looked quite even in strength to me. However, if we want to have a clear winner we'll have to use two iPhones, set the same time controls and play 10 games, switching colors each time. If someone has iPhone 3GS, the other device has to be 3GS too, as the new processor is much faster and one of the programs would have a huge advantage over the other.
Of course the programs are at an equal disadvantage......
A ten test match would certainly be more accurate, but I'm not <that> patient
I have talked with Fritz-iPhone developer and it occured to be "a memory related bug in analysis module" ("hint" button showed correct suggested move). It should be fixed in 1.3.1 . Also there is 1.4 version comming with some new features.
Breaking news! Version 1.3.1 had been just sent to Apple and is expected to come out in maximum 2 weeks from now. The analyses bug had been fixed and a "set-up position" button was added in the menu for a quicker access to this feature. The developers said they are working on another game until October, but they still work for Fritz in their spare time.
we have to wait for another 2 weeks because creators of Fritz have resubmitted 1.3.1 because of small omission in exporting custom games by email... instead of submitting it as 1.3.2 just after 1.3.1 would be approved...
I've just downloaded Fritz 1.3.1 update...
[edit]
Analysis works now, but when it find "mate in x" it shows only next move, not the mating sequence... Also it works soo sloow. In [FEN "8/8/8/8/8/4kbb1/8/6K1 b - -"] it took Glaurung a few seconds to show "13 -#8 Be4 Kf1 Kf3 Kg1 Bf5 Kh1 Hh3 Kg1 Bf4..." while it took Fritz a few minutes to show "13 (-#8) 1... Bf2+ ..."
maybe the engine is set to play weak level chess (very weak)
but in "infinite analysis" mode? moreover it can't be set to any strength when you are playing "two players"
... IMO engine settings shouldn't affect analysis mode... analysis is analysis - you are using analysis because you are trying to find the best solution, not "some random" one....