Games are over, buddies! Time for real co-op chess!

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Couldn’t create 4 colors. Someone please upload a correct image with a green and brown.

I HEREBY PRESENT THE FINAL BLOW TO THE STAGNATION OF CHESS!

READ TILL THE END IF YOU'VE A BRAIN IN YOUR SKULL!

I strongly believe it would be worthwhile for Chess.com to add a real cooperative game feature to the App. There should be two boards attached side by side. IJKLMNOP squares will be added after the H squares. Four colors and four players. [White & green vs black & brown.] Top two are allied and bottom two are allied. If you lose your king you still play on with all your pieces so long as your allies' king is still on the board! There are countless new tactics and strategies available in this format, and the fun is tenfold for the co-op. You can hide your king in your allies' fort and go all out offensively while he plays defence, or you can launch a devastating attack together. You can castle near your ally in middle of the board, or on opposite sides. Like I've already said, if in check, you don't have to save your king if your allies' king is still alive. [You can deliver checkmate with your king.] If the teams' 2nd king is in check both players are forced to defend it by whatever means they have. He who goes first doesn't have to, if the second player can. Time is counted for the team, not the player. You can also message your ally what move to play. To suggest a move to your ally you simply press the squares and they get to see it as a suggestion. There could be a limit to how many suggestions are allowed. Suggestions and chat can also be turned off entirely in the settings when choosing the game, to make it more important who your ally is. In serious tournaments it will always be off. Friends can play together against opposing teams. When playing randomly you will automatically get teamed with someone at your rating. If one player resigns but his ally wishes to play on, a new player will take his place. The new player's rating isn't affected if he loses, but goes up if he wins. The options are limitless in what could transpire on such a board. A rook can fly 15 squares to save an allies' queen, and two kings can checkmate another. My knight takes a pawn and then my ally eliminates its defender [the fourth color] with his bishop. Or if you're in check, you move your bishop (and snatch a piece) freeing your allies rook to now shoot over and block it. Or maybe your ally has only a king. You haven't, and you're protecting it, hoping he makes the right move each time he's checked. If your allies' pieces are all eliminated, you may lose even if up substantial material, since they get two turns and you only one. For instance if you fork a king and knight, the forked knight simply checks you, and his ally then slides his rook to block your check even undefended. You must move your king or take the knight with your bishop, and your queen is lost. (In this format maybe pawns should also be able to promote to a king! It will still be used less than a queen, but far more than a knight. You're checkmated; but no, your ally promotes to a king on the far end of the board [p8 square]! Quickly send your forces to defend it. Allowing it may lower the value of the queen though so I'm not sure if it's a good idea.) Stalemate is only if the color with the only remaining king on the team cannot move. If you lose your king and are losing and your ally has only a king or blocked pawns, he runs for a corner and you surround him with your pieces to stalemate him. The enemy meanwhile tries everything to stop it. Before each move you must take into consideration the move order of the enemy.

Super-GM's like Hikaru, Erigaisi, Niemann, and Keymer, could play against others. Once developing strategy and coordination with someone, you'll be far better with them than even with a higher rated player. You'll have to choose a buddy, and hone your skills with them. What if MAGNUS and HIKARU team up against NIEMANN and HANSEN!? Streaming online, Hikaru (chortling away) sacs Magnus's queen. ('Should I give Magnus's queen?' he asks, his hand on his rook, who'm he promptly sacs for the Han's knight, forcing Carlsen to sac his queen to save it and thus gaining a slight advantage.) In revenge, Magnus needlessly exposes Hikaru's king to Eric's bishop, upon which Hikaru bursts out laughing. A Hansen-Niemann vs Naka-Magnus game will easily be one if the greatest shows chess has ever seen.

ADDING THIS FORMAT COULD LITERALLY DOUBLE THE USERS ON CHESS.COM IN JUST A COUPLE OF MONTHS!

Its popularity would skyrocket, so many people joining just for the co-op. The excitement of such a game cannot be overstated.

Piece setup and most game rules are the same as in regular chess; (unless maybe the bishops should start beside the Rooks, and the knights beside the kings and queens so that the bishops start off targeting a knight and rook instead of a king and queen. If knights-bishops do change places, right-side kings should maybe also start on the L squares and queens on the M, for several reasons.) Move order: either bottom left, bottom right, top left, top right, or clockwise from bottom right: (or [more complicated] bottom left, top left, bottom right, top right, or beggining from right; or even bottom, top, top, bottom, in any order.) Top GMs or engines should decide on which exact piece setup (I personally think it's preferable to keep the original setup; and move order: b-left b-right, t-left t-right; White, then green, then black, then brown.) and move order gives you the most playable options.

There is so much room to improve chess. The greatest minds on the planet should be putting their heads to improve, expand, and promote the game just as they do to play it. Hikaru and Naroditsky should be asked on this variant. The rules don't have to be exactly as I layed out. They can change them slightly if it makes the gameplay and co-op better. 

Millions of new puzzles can be made. There's also no worries about cheating or theory in this format.

Even just adding a co-op mode to regular chess is a great way to expand the game. The best way to add co-op to regular chess is to make that two people must agree in order for any move to be played. Any move you attempt is shown as a suggestion to your partner. If they second it, it goes. In low time, or if chosen, any of you can move, simply whoever goes first. A 2nd option is that every second move is traded off between the two, and a 3rd is that one picks the piece, the other moves it.

IF YOU LIKE THE SUGGESTION, VOICE YOUR SUPPORT HERE AND NOW. IF NOT THE DEVS WON'T DELIVER. USE YOUR INFLUENCE AND MAKE IT HAPPEN.

Avatar of JkCheeseChess

the devs will not deliver regardless of how many people want it

and no offense

but at this rate i don't think anyone is going to want it considering similar variants have been suggested in the past. many times.

Avatar of Morkar_the_Northman

I know not what's been suggested before and what's not. This though is clearly the best 4 player variant. Very similar to regular chess with a seamlessly integrated co-op. I'm 100% sure if it existed everyone would play it. Guaranteed!

Devs simply need to be convinced it'll make them the cash. That's all they care about, and rightfully so.

Avatar of HungryOval

I don't think this would be very successful since it would make the chess.com community more toxic - and it would likely be similar to spell chess which was popular for a few days and then died. I mean, this is just a less fun version of Bughouse! But good idea anyway, and don't take my post too seriously.

Avatar of JkCheeseChess
HungryOval wrote:

I don't think this would be very successful since it would make the chess.com community more toxic - and it would likely be similar to spell chess which was popular for a few days and then died. I mean, this is just a less fun version of Bughouse! But good idea anyway, and don't take my post too seriously.

this is the sad truth

Avatar of Morkar_the_Northman
HungryOval wrote:

I don't think this would be very successful since it would make the chess.com community more toxic - and it would likely be similar to spell chess which was popular for a few days and then died. I mean, this is just a less fun version of Bughouse! But good idea anyway, and don't take my post too seriously.

If it's a less fun version than Bughouse, it's a horrible idea. And your post is false, deceptive, and unimportant.

Avatar of JkCheeseChess

you seem like a troll account created for the sole purpose of joining this club and posting a random forum out of nowhere just to ragebait

Avatar of Morkar_the_Northman
JkCheeseChess wrote:

you seem like a troll account created for the sole purpose of joining this club and posting a random forum out of nowhere just to ragebait

Is this some sort of feebleminded attempt to rouse my anger? Perhaps you are blind or forgot how to read; it says to be relevant & kind.

Avatar of JkCheeseChess
Hans_GOAT_Niemann wrote:

If it's a less fun version than Bughouse, it's a horrible idea. And your post is false, deceptive, and unimportant.

consider reading this again before telling me to be relevant and kind

Avatar of Brisingr_26
Hans_GOAT_Niemann wrote:
HungryOval wrote:

I don't think this would be very successful since it would make the chess.com community more toxic - and it would likely be similar to spell chess which was popular for a few days and then died. I mean, this is just a less fun version of Bughouse! But good idea anyway, and don't take my post too seriously.

If it's a less fun version than Bughouse, it's a horrible idea. And your post is false, deceptive, and unimportant.

You posted this on a forum for people to comment on. How are you getting mad for getting input you asked for?

Avatar of Morkar_the_Northman

Sir Frostfire 26, you clearly misunderstood me. I'm not asking for anyone's input or opinion! What I said is that if you like my suggestion you should voice your support. If not, then kindly move along without spewing forth any negative comments. Next time I'll have to explicitly add it into the post. Thought it was self understood.

Avatar of JkCheeseChess

bro you are so obviously contradicting yourself here

Avatar of Morkar_the_Northman

So I ask people to voice their support, and y'all begin blasting pessimistic statements. And I'm still accused of being a troll account. Beautiful.

Avatar of SAOCM
Hans_GOAT_Niemann wrote:
HungryOval wrote:

I don't think this would be very successful since it would make the chess.com community more toxic - and it would likely be similar to spell chess which was popular for a few days and then died. I mean, this is just a less fun version of Bughouse! But good idea anyway, and don't take my post too seriously.

If it's a less fun version than Bughouse, it's a horrible idea. And your post is false, deceptive, and unimportant.

Well I’m not trying to be mean, but if he says to not take it to serious then maybe respond with a more positive outcome?

Avatar of Chaitanyabilwani

Bro let's do it again

Avatar of linghanyang

Couldn’t create 4 colors. Someone please upload a correct image with a green and brown.

I HEREBY PRESENT THE FINAL BLOW TO THE STAGNATION OF CHESS!

READ TILL THE END IF YOU'VE A BRAIN IN YOUR SKULL!

I strongly believe it would be worthwhile for Chess.com to add a real cooperative game feature to the App. There should be two boards attached side by side. IJKLMNOP squares will be added after the H squares. Four colors and four players. [White & green vs black & brown.] Top two are allied and bottom two are allied. If you lose your king you still play on with all your pieces so long as your allies' king is still on the board! There are countless new tactics and strategies available in this format, and the fun is tenfold for the co-op. You can hide your king in your allies' fort and go all out offensively while he plays defence, or you can launch a devastating attack together. You can castle near your ally in middle of the board, or on opposite sides. Like I've already said, if in check, you don't have to save your king if your allies' king is still alive. [You can deliver checkmate with your king.] If the teams' 2nd king is in check both players are forced to defend it by whatever means they have. He who goes first doesn't have to, if the second player can. Time is counted for the team, not the player. You can also message your ally what move to play. To suggest a move to your ally you simply press the squares and they get to see it as a suggestion. There could be a limit to how many suggestions are allowed. Suggestions and chat can also be turned off entirely in the settings when choosing the game, to make it more important who your ally is. In serious tournaments it will always be off. Friends can play together against opposing teams. When playing randomly you will automatically get teamed with someone at your rating. If one player resigns but his ally wishes to play on, a new player will take his place. The new player's rating isn't affected if he loses, but goes up if he wins. The options are limitless in what could transpire on such a board. A rook can fly 15 squares to save an allies' queen, and two kings can checkmate another. My knight takes a pawn and then my ally eliminates its defender [the fourth color] with his bishop. Or if you're in check, you move your bishop (and snatch a piece) freeing your allies rook to now shoot over and block it. Or maybe your ally has only a king. You haven't, and you're protecting it, hoping he makes the right move each time he's checked. If your allies' pieces are all eliminated, you may lose even if up substantial material, since they get two turns and you only one. For instance if you fork a king and knight, the forked knight simply checks you, and his ally then slides his rook to block your check even undefended. You must move your king or take the knight with your bishop, and your queen is lost. (In this format maybe pawns should also be able to promote to a king! It will still be used less than a queen, but far more than a knight. You're checkmated; but no, your ally promotes to a king on the far end of the board [p8 square]! Quickly send your forces to defend it. Allowing it may lower the value of the queen though so I'm not sure if it's a good idea.) Stalemate is only if the color with the only remaining king on the team cannot move. If you lose your king and are losing and your ally has only a king or blocked pawns, he runs for a corner and you surround him with your pieces to stalemate him. The enemy meanwhile tries everything to stop it. Before each move you must take into consideration the move order of the enemy.

 

Super-GM's like Hikaru, Erigaisi, Niemann, and Keymer, could play against others. Once developing strategy and coordination with someone, you'll be far better with them than even with a higher rated player. You'll have to choose a buddy, and hone your skills with them. What if MAGNUS and HIKARU team up against NIEMANN and HANSEN!? Streaming online, Hikaru (chortling away) sacs Magnus's queen. ('Should I give Magnus's queen?' he asks, his hand on his rook, who'm he promptly sacs for the Han's knight, forcing Carlsen to sac his queen to save it and thus gaining a slight advantage.) In revenge, Magnus needlessly exposes Hikaru's king to Eric's bishop, upon which Hikaru bursts out laughing. A Hansen-Niemann vs Naka-Magnus game will easily be one if the greatest shows chess has ever seen.

 

ADDING THIS FORMAT COULD LITERALLY DOUBLE THE USERS ON CHESS.COM IN JUST A COUPLE OF MONTHS!

 

Its popularity would skyrocket, so many people joining just for the co-op. The excitement of such a game cannot be overstated.

 

Piece setup and most game rules are the same as in regular chess; (unless maybe the bishops should start beside the Rooks, and the knights beside the kings and queens so that the bishops start off targeting a knight and rook instead of a king and queen. If knights-bishops do change places, right-side kings should maybe also start on the L squares and queens on the M, for several reasons.) Move order: either bottom left, bottom right, top left, top right, or clockwise from bottom right: (or [more complicated] bottom left, top left, bottom right, top right, or beggining from right; or even bottom, top, top, bottom, in any order.) Top GMs or engines should decide on which exact piece setup (I personally think it's preferable to keep the original setup; and move order: b-left b-right, t-left t-right; White, then green, then black, then brown.) and move order gives you the most playable options.

 

There is so much room to improve chess. The greatest minds on the planet should be putting their heads to improve, expand, and promote the game just as they do to play it. Hikaru and Naroditsky should be asked on this variant. The rules don't have to be exactly as I layed out. They can change them slightly if it makes the gameplay and co-op better. 

 

Millions of new puzzles can be made. There's also no worries about cheating or theory in this format.

 

Even just adding a co-op mode to regular chess is a great way to expand the game. The best way to add co-op to regular chess is to make that two people must agree in order for any move to be played. Any move you attempt is shown as a suggestion to your partner. If they second it, it goes. In low time, or if chosen, any of you can move, simply whoever goes first. A 2nd option is that every second move is traded off between the two, and a 3rd is that one picks the piece, the other moves it.

 

IF YOU LIKE THE SUGGESTION, VOICE YOUR SUPPORT HERE AND NOW. IF NOT THE DEVS WON'T DELIVER. USE YOUR INFLUENCE AND MAKE IT HAPPEN.

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nah i dont think so

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