@germagno: So, Teams Peru and Argentina should be allowed to remain in the World League while knowingly breaking rules?
And the World League is in the wrong because of the "void" that results from their departures?
And this is compared to a war?
And you apologize for this comparison because ... ?
Here's a simpler approach: Abide by the rules.
Then we look forward to seeing Team Peru and Team Argentina back for the 2022 season. As a result, the void is filled. Problem solved.
Team Peru's admins have tried to claim that this is about me in person.
They are giving false information here, trying to lauch personal attacks for distraction.
I very much made sure in this case that it was not me, it was the entire team of WL directors who made the decisions.
Are we seriously having this discussion again? Over a Team B?
It is unfortunate to hear this again, especially when it is false, a group of 300 members where it was formed so that some high-level members teach low-elo players to improve chess, they were never discriminated against, for sample they can review the elo of the players from various tournaments, we let the players freely play so they have low elo, we do not filter, what if I observe is that the current director of this league likes to remove things at the end, it seems that he enjoys this we have already spoken with Ilmago and it is regrettable that we cannot reach an agreement with him, and we thank the administrators who internally have communicated with us supporting our team. It is very hard the director of this league must be more friendly with the administrators. If you have any questions or queries, you can ask through this means and we will answer any questions. A team that works hard to improve is crushed by a baseless decision. I have asked him internally his foundation and he does not know what to say. He blames another administrator when all of Team Peru knows the truth of things, there is nothing to hide.
@TonyAlcantara89: If Team B serves the sole purpose of instructing those of "low elo," then why not educate and train them right in Team Peru?
You do not need a tributary team.
@TonyAlcantara89: If Team B serves the sole purpose of instructing those of "low elo," then why not educate and train them right in Team Peru?
You do not need a tributary team.
Hello, that is a study group that was already put aside as a result of Ilmago's whim and was not used for any strange purpose, nor can he be requesting that we eliminate groups that have nothing to do with the Peruvian team, he does not know You can put in and no one should mess.
That they suspend teams that do filter players, but if it is not filtered and it has been shown that we have active low-elo players in Team Peru then it is shown that @ilmago's theory is totally wrong, not everyone does things wrong, they are already I speak and unfortunately he does not want to understand, we are not going to bow our heads before @ilmago, we respect all administrators who behave as leaders, not as dictators.
It is a group where high-level players offered to teach, to give classes without remuneration, it is not a team, nor does it represent a country, so we are talking very different things. It is simply a whim of @Ilmago in short, if the decision of this administrator is that Team Peru is ready outside, no problem. I hope that the other administrators understand that they must respect the decisions of the various Teams, and it cannot be judged if there is no support, if there is not something clear that indicates that it was created in order to filter players, which is totally ruled out We have always played with low-elo players, we even played a final a few days ago with a player of 400, 700, 800, 900, etc.
Team Peru's admins have tried to claim that this is about me in person.
They are giving false information here, trying to lauch personal attacks for distraction.
I very much made sure in this case that it was not me, it was the entire team of WL directors who made the decisions.
Good evening with all due respect, I just read this answer, I want to mention that @ilmago does not have any conclusive proof that that group because it is not a team, is used for the purpose of filtering, so there is no freedom to create groups on chess.com? We sent an email to chess.com about this and I mention that it cannot be put in, however, that we are free to create the groups that we want.
So why @ilmago without any support and just because it occurred to him that they eliminate a group sanctions a team? What evidence does he have about what he mentions that the group was created for?
Because he freely says that we are misinforming, just because we tell the truth, it is unfortunate that he thinks of eliminating teams and because of his personality he does not listen to the administrators, he was told many times that he was wrong, we have the print of the amount Of times he was told that he was wrong, we are not misinforming if they like, I can upload images of conversations where he is clearly told that he is wrong and he puts a great Latin American team as an example of a very proud sanction. You all know what happened, our team has worked hard to keep us in compliance with each match that he sent as a reminder and we played thinking that he had understood, however he likes these things eliminating teams is his happiness, well if you want to know more Information they write to me privately because I understand that @ilmago here does what he wants. Greetings to all administrators and successes. I hope one day they change administrators, look for administrators who are more flexible, do not let administrators like @ilmago do what they want with one's lives. I say goodbye with all due respect.
Team Peru's admins have tried to claim that this is about me in person.
They are giving false information here, trying to lauch personal attacks for distraction.
I very much made sure in this case that it was not me, it was the entire team of WL directors who made the decisions.
Good evening with all due respect, I just read this answer, I want to mention that @ilmago does not have any conclusive proof that that group because it is not a team, is used for the purpose of filtering, so there is no freedom to create groups on chess.com? We sent an email to chess.com about this and I mention that it cannot be put in, however, that we are free to create the groups that we want.
So why @ilmago without any support and just because it occurred to him that they eliminate a group sanctions a team? What evidence does he have about what he mentions that the group was created for?
Because he freely says that we are misinforming, just because we tell the truth, it is unfortunate that he thinks of eliminating teams and because of his personality he does not listen to the administrators, he was told many times that he was wrong, we have the print of the amount Of times he was told that he was wrong, we are not misinforming if they like, I can upload images of conversations where he is clearly told that he is wrong and he puts a great Latin American team as an example of a very proud sanction. You all know what happened, our team has worked hard to keep us in compliance with each match that he sent as a reminder and we played thinking that he had understood, however he likes these things eliminating teams is his happiness, well if you want to know more Information they write to me privately because I understand that @ilmago here does what he wants. Greetings to all administrators and successes. I hope one day they change administrators, look for administrators who are more flexible, do not let administrators like @ilmago do what they want with one's lives. I say goodbye with all due respect.
Can you provide a link to the group itself? There has been a lot of discussion about misinformation, but if what you say is true, and that this second club is not used as a second team for Team Peru, and it is not a requirement to be from Team Peru to join this second club, then it should be easy to prove if you share a link to the group with all of us.
then you could name it different but Team Peru or Team Argentina B gives misinformation
Hello everyone, of course, you will verify that there are only 300 members and that it is not used for the purpose of filtering players, it is more a long time ago when @ilmago spoke to us in private, it was explained to him and a different name was placed and as you will see, it was never used for something official I am going to copy the link of the group even observe the number of players I can give a list of low-rated players that are in both groups there are no restrictions gentlemen that should have been verified and not sanctioned for sanctioning, leaving without freedom to perform, I thank all the administrators who are supporting me as an intern as they are very afraid to speak publicly.
then you could name it different but Team Peru or Team Argentina B gives misinformation
Dear long time ago since they notified us they have different names and that is known to the director.
@jcohen42 Thank you 🙌
Good morning, all this amazes me, I have proof that this different group was never used to discriminate against Nick from several low-elo players who are in the two groups and you can check the seniority of each player in each group with this everything will be clear I thank the internal support of many Chess.com administrators and players. I hope chess will triumph. It is a beautiful sport that we love everything and I hope this misunderstanding will be overcome.🙌🙌🙌
I did some research and I didn't find a Team Peru 2 or Team Peru B, if it existed, then the club has already been closed or changed its name.
Given the above, @ilmago should reconsider the case of Team Peru and include them again in the World League or else publicize the evidence to have taken the decision to remove Team Peru from the World League, under penalty of losing the credibility of the World League.
The World League has already lost Argentina and now Peru, we in Brazil are already faced with situations where European teams have been manipulating the lower boards and nothing has been done to stop this, if something is not done, maybe in the near future the World League will have to change the name to Euro-Asian-African League, as more Latin American teams can join Team Argentina in protest.
ilmago has testified that he did not act unilaterally but had the support of the other WL directors behind him in this decision. I'm sure it was not made lightly. Circumstances may have changed to a degree since the decision was made to drop Team Peru, but I currently understand that we are to believe that the entire WL Headquarters ratified the decision out of necessity.
That is accurate, is it not, @ilmago?
If the hypothesis that this group was created to filter, then how did this match played last Sunday, how have we played with these 385, 400 elo players?
I leave the image you can see that all those players are in Team Peru and for losing they have not been removed, they are our team and the team is respected, we all win, we all lose.
I leave this for the analysis of each of the administrators and understand that this was a misunderstanding, however they cannot judge without having concrete evidence.
Other teams can do that. We Team Peru do not filter for it, everyone enters and everyone plays.
I believe that an image speaks more than a thousand words, we hope to overcome this misunderstanding, I have more images that support us.
It seems that at one point, Asociacion Peruana de Ajedrez did go as Team Peru B, at least for one match: https://www.chess.com/club/matches/live/asociacion-peruana-de-ajedrez/8899
But since then, I do not see evidence to suggest that the group is still acting as a team B. There are players who are in the Asociacion Peruana de Ajedrez group without being in Team Peru, and vice versa. It certainly does not appear the same as the Team Argentina situation, where Team Argentina B is clearly being used to filter out players joining Team Argentina. So it brings up the question: is the second team violation just applied to cases of filtering, or is the issue simply that one admin from Team Peru formed another nationality-based team? It would be good to clear this up, not only for Team Peru but also for all of the other team admins.
Little by little teams will be withdrawn, and it will not be good for the league, especially when there is no concrete evidence that a filter has been made, and above all it is shown that in time we speak truthfully, there is no longer a team Team Peru B directed by the top management of Team Peru, therefore any group can have another name without affecting and freely doing what one wishes as long as it does not affect the world league in this case Team Peru shows that it was never filtered, and the time gave us reason, there are players with very low elo freely playing matches.
I will appreciate the reconsideration of the world league, and I thank the administrators for their support, the Pan American league is a very strong and very competitive league and it is growing.
Are we seriously having this discussion again? Over a Team B?
No. If that discussion has already taken place I do not intend to relive it. And I want to express what I think the common Daily Chess players feels: a great void due to the absences of Argentina and Peru. The average player is often bored by these discussions. They just want to see Peru and Argentina playing in the World League. So in the same way that the leaders of the nations fail when they explode in a war and send their peoples to bleed, here it is failing when by not agreeing, a national team is left out. And sorry for the comparison.