Let me ask everyone this. When you volunteer many hours over your time every month to grow and expand something that you love, how do you feel when there are people that fight against you and argue with your direction? Even when faced with this, you provide options to these people that obviously feel entitled and not appreciative of all the hard work you've put in. When they choose not to take the options presented, do you continue to allow them participation in what you've created and grown? Or at some point do you have to say, this is enough. Why would I want to continue to allow people that are here to insult and tear down what we have created? I'm all for Peru and Argentina joining the World League. But it has to be with leadership that does not want to bring hate into the league.
Hello, why have Team Peru been removed from the daily games?
Let me ask everyone this. When you volunteer many hours over your time every month to grow and expand something that you love, how do you feel when there are people that fight against you and argue with your direction? Even when faced with this, you provide options to these people that obviously feel entitled and not appreciative of all the hard work you've put in. When they choose not to take the options presented, do you continue to allow them participation in what you've created and grown? Or at some point do you have to say, this is enough. Why would I want to continue to allow people that are here to insult and tear down what we have created? I'm all for Peru and Argentina joining the World League. But it has to be with leadership that does not want to bring hate into the league.
Hello, no one wants to bring hatred to the world league, this topic was not being touched now because it is clearly different, TEAM Peru did not filter players, in fact we simply want to play but we have the right to defend ourselves, we cannot lower our heads when it was explained by internal already A long time ago, the annoyance was not caused by us, this could be avoided by reviewing, and not judging without any basis that defends TEAM Peru, it is not bringing hatred, it is defending what is fair, we appreciate their work and I am sure that once everything is solved to go much better, I hope they reconsider and analyze with the new tests.
Only you cannot judge a team without concrete evidence, and if we say that we do not filter trust and if you do not trust, check and draw your conclusions, we have already sent evidence that we play with low-Elo players, then there is no problem, nor is it missing of respect for the rules. If there is a test against Peru, show us where we are wrong if we have already told the truth about everything and time has proved us right, we do not want to discuss only playing chess, we are exhausting our strength so that they trust us, and we have not done no filter, that can be checked.
Now dear, I wanted to talk to you privately and you told me send a message to @ilmago, at some point I am being rude, I am defending a TEAM that I represent, because there is an error, we have not made any filter, and it is I say again, can I demonstrate with more images that we have low-elo players playing, can I even show that players who are still in that group are also in TEAM Peru and have low elo? My question is, do you have any evidence that we have leaked players by Elo? If not, then there is no fault. I hope this is a misunderstanding and I reiterate we simply want to play chess and have fun, during the year what happened we have met all the challenges that the different clubs sent us to the end and we have played honestly. There is no fault, I want to thank you for being transparent and accepting this forum for the solution of a misunderstanding. I am willing to speak in private or in public all your questions you may have. But I will also ask my questions. I hope this is solved since it is totally different and I thank the administrators of other countries in reviewing the links and checking that there is no fault. And for the courage to move on.
I am relieved to see that this move does indeed have the support and ratification of multiple WL directors.
Although I don't see how hate enters into the argument.
Our team does not hate anyone, we simply want that if they make a decision to be fair, correct and with sustenance, a decision cannot be made much less withdraw teams that also contribute their time and dedication of years supporting with their participation in the world league, Since we have played we are supporting, because then our job is to find the players to sign up, check that they play the matches and do not lose by not moving, I remember that another administrator made a bad comment and from there all this originated, now my question is that we win by discussing whether all we want is to play in peace, in daily games there is not much interaction because the challenge is simply sent and the other team accepts and that's it, here the point was that something was misinterpreted, and we have shown that finally the super administrators left the group, it is not used to filter players to date we continue to accept any player who is Peruvian or invited by a Peruvian, we are a very unified team I do and I think that this misunderstanding is easy to understand. I invite administrators to dialogue but coherently, to look at a single horizon that is to have fun playing chess, I hope the final response of the super administrators of this league, and allow us to continue playing freely in a gaming democracy, nobody comes to dirty the house, but if I think we can defend ourselves against wrong accusations, I finally want to put an end to this and look for solutions. Thank you.
Jueguen otras ligas, hay muy buenas opciones. No está @ilmago y participan muy buenos equipos. Los administradores de esta dan vergüenza.
Jueguen otras ligas, hay muy buenas opciones. No está @ilmago y participan muy buenos equipos. Los administradores de esta dan vergüenza.
Buenas noches si se qué hay otras ligas, pero es una pena dejar una liga de tantos años, donde cada país participando hizo crecer esta liga sin nosotros (cada país) esta liga no existiera por más esfuerzo que hagan, si bien se ha demostrado que no hemos filtrado más aún no hemos participado con otro TEAM más que el TEAM PERU no es correcto que interpreten las cosas a su manera y nos juzguen a su manera, nuestro deseo es seguir contribuyendo en esta liga si @ilmago lo permite, saludos a todos y nuevamente gracias por el apoyo.
We need a more authoritative statement from HQ regarding this matter.
As soon as possible.
@whirlwind2011: Team Peru's World League representative was notified multiple times that they needed to close their 2nd team for continued participation in the league. They have chosen to be argumentative and defensive and did not close their "training" team. They clearly knew the consequences.
@Daws74: I see. Thank you for your candor. I'm relieved to see that multiple admins back this measure, which I hope will discourage the victimization of Term Peru.
Team Peru, you should now accept these consequences and work with the directors to meet requirements for reinstatement for the WL2022 season.
Hello everyone, we are not doing a drama, we are simply informing the community that they wanted us to eliminate a group that has nothing to do with our participation, even TEAM Canada has several teams, as well as other countries so who tells them that they eliminate? If a study group that has nothing to do with the Team has to be eliminated because to the directors of the world league both the great @ilmago and now the pronouncement of another administrator, the only thing we received were constant threats and we always explain The reason they did not believe, also so far they do not issue a conclusive proof that the second team participates or is a filter that is the discussion of all this, it is clear that these administrators do what they want and no one should trust this league that is dictatorial and enjoys the sanctions, apparently they are happy that brother countries like Argentina stop competing and now it was Peru's turn and very soon it will be another team, their success is due to all the teams in the league, not just them . However, it left to the discretion of the administrators of other countries as well as they mention me internally, leave your message clear publicly to these directors who believe they are doing things well. When they have no sustenance in this case.
Hello @whirlwind2011 observed that you are the only person who applauds this, and does not ask for filter evidence that is the problem of all this, if you create a group for the reason that you create and they ask you to eliminate it without any reason or criteria or without sustenance would you do it? It's a shame you applaud these authoritarian things about managers.
@TonyAlcantara89: I am disappointed that more admins do not support a cohesive and unified World League.
@TonyAlcantara89: I am disappointed that more admins do not support a cohesive and unified World League.
We want to continue in the league, but we have to be fair, here there is no basis for misuse of a group, it is not filtered, the main administrators left that group many months ago not now, there are no signs of movement in that group since many months ago, it did not have the same name, so why is it sanctioned? The question you have to ask yourself, is this just? There is evidence of wanting to do what they imagined, you cannot judge a person if there is no evidence. Defending you does not mean that I do not want a union, if I did not want to continue playing I would remain silent, all this was explained to each administrator of the world league. And they ignored us, so I request that they review and draw a new conclusion.
@TonyAlcantara: Stop bringing your defenses to me. I am not in charge here, so arguing to me is like yelling at a wall. Why won't you direct these arguments at Daws74, who said you needed to close your second team and that you "knew the consequences" on not doing so?
Excuse me then if you do not know about the topic, better consult, I spoke internally with @daws74 and he told me, talk to @ilmago then I answer Ilmago, if I answer you it is because you write, you are right and I will not answer you, have a good one night.
@TonyAlcantara89: It's not truly a matter that involves Team USA, so I don't know all the intricate details. I'm sure those who are not part of Team Peru nor WL administration know all they need to know.
I think strange how much effort Team Peru expends vilifying ilmago as if he were solely responsible, when Daws74 has plainly spoken critical, no-nonsense words against your team's actions.
I voice my dismay over the fact that we have another team this year, as in last year, playing up its victimization. You should also notice that I have already strongly lobbied for Team Peru to return next year. Team USA wants Team Peru back in the league.
We want to clarify something, we tried different names, and this name came from a vote of the few members who have there, there are only 300 members, the name was created in order to show that it is not the same team peru, I think there was A misunderstanding, the name was changed, yes, it was done with the intention of filtering, no.
The problem that @ilmago explained is the suspicion of filtering but it is shown that players are not filtered, if they check well there are also high-elo players, even players who started with low elo and improved, then they will observe that it was left aside.
I think it should have been listened and not judged, it would not have reached this point. We hope that the administrators will reconsider that this case has nothing to do with the player filter, which is the fear of the administrators and we understand. However, it is not the case. Thank you.