How TIME Started

We start with DEFINITIONS.
Nothing;   nothing is exactly that, nothing.  No time, no space, no rate of change, no quantum flux, no probability, no anything. Nothing may be a point or infinite, but not a space because we would have jumped right over 1 and 2 dimensional nothings. Nothing can’t create anything. If it exists, it can’t then not exist. Nothing can not change with respect to anything.
Time;    (small t), a one dimensional parameter used in math and physics that extends to infinity and beyond in both directions. Time is continuous.  Its value is determined by the differences between two time events.  It has no rates of change with respect to any other variable.  No rate of change of the rates and its rate is 1 with respect to itself at all times.  It is not a particle and has no energy. Time can’t have started or stopped or it would not be continuous at that point or the next.  All other variables have 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc. rates of change with respect to time.
Point;   points are considered to be continuous.  Points may be different from each other or may be the same. Points in 0,1,2,3 or 4 dimensional space are all different.  There are no points next to the one in a 0 dimensional space. And only two next to any in a 1 dimensional space.   In a cube we may add any number of line segments or planes, each full of points (1D, 2D), and the cube is still empty. But we can’t add one more 3 dimensional point.  We may pour an infinite number of points into a cube and they all end up at the same point (all 3D). For points to fill the cube they NEED a line segment. That segment is the distance between one point and any reference point.  Without the three dimensional line segment with each point, we can’t fill the space.  So points in any space, except zero, do not exist without a line segment.  BOTH are needed.
Space;   space is undefined. It may be finite, infinite, here before timed started, start from nothing, curved, able to double, move matter or not, full of universes, create matter with negative energy, limit speeds,  even multiple spaces, etc. etc.   Space is completely undefined.

These are not my definitions for nothing, time, points or space. They are what I assume other people will understand if I use these words. You may change them any way you like.  I assume the first three "things" do not exist, and space has NO listed properties from above.       Now my definitions.

We will use a general rule to help us stay on track as we start. Nature is simple.  If we must make a choice between options, we will chose the simplest and continue.  Since I assume ;  nothing, time and points do not exist and space is a question, as defined above, what does exist ?  If these have a property in common, that property must be wrong.  One property is that they are all continuous.  If length and time are not continuous, then all the math in the physics one now knows is wrong,  some good approximations,  but wrong.  If nothing does not exist, what can the next "bigger" thing to nothing be ?   Assume nothing can accumulate something;  Time, which is not changing or unused Time.  A nothing which can accumulate unused Time, the time isn’t changing and the amount of that accumulation is zero, is pretty close to nothing.  TIME(T) is only passing in terms of small t (time).   We will call this nothing a Zero dimensional degree of freedom universe or Zu.  A place where unused Time accumulations and keeps getting bigger and bigger.  In terms of places we already know, think of it as the place where borrow energy comes from and returns to and is always here.  TIME (T) is discrete.  Here are two examples to help understand discrete Time.      One: consider a movie.  Here each frame has stopped time.  Nothing is in motion, yet the movie seems real. If we use a high speed camera, we can study things we would never see without one.  Now think of a superhigh speed camera.  Here each frame has captured a photon. The photon is moving the length of the frame, Planck’s length, 1.6x10**-35 m between each frame. The time between frames  is Planck’s time, 5.4x10**-44 s.  This is nature, this is how Time ticks and photons move when the photon stands still in each frame. If we could take frames 10 times faster, the photon will not move for 9 of them and then "jump" to the next frame.   This is why C exist and is the value, C.  C is not a maximum velocity, it is for real photons.          Two:  assume time is continuous.  Construct a small unit of time,  a tenth of a nanosecond, (10**-10 sec.).  Now fill the universe with zeros and place all behind the zero in the exponent.  This is a "FLICK".  What must happen in a flick.  Every particle must move "properly".  To do that each particle must be paired with all others in the universe and each must "fit" all the laws of nature.  That is a very little amount of time to do that and it must be done very many times per second.  One may say nature does that.  Take all the zeros in the exponent and copy them in place of the zero in the base, this is a "small flick".  Now nature must figure out how each pair moves again, and if there are multiverses, how all those pairs move too.  All that in LESS TIME AND MORE TIMES PER SECOND.  One may still say nature can do that.  Next step, double all the zeros.  Inflation doubles space 100 times, we are only doubling zeros, much easier.  Double 100 times, that is a "VERY SMALL FLICK”.  The problem is much worse, and we haven't even started doubling zeros. If one assumes nature does not use time to figure out how a particle moves then one would know the outcome of the Big Bang before it even started.  The end result of this logic is that particles do not see into the future, they ONLY KNOW NOW.  Bye, bye Quantum Mechanics.

 
The second mode of time is used time, a Tidom.  A tidom is a preon which builds elementary particles.  All elementary particles are built from three tidoms and only tidoms, even mass and space, all exist within Zu. Mass is a form of energy, energy is a form of time.  A tidom is time, changing over a distance, momentum.  Momentum is more fundamental than time or distance, one does not exist without the other.  Think of time at point P=A and T=1, it then jumps, changes to P=B at T=2 and back again to P=A at T=3; this is a tidom.  It is a time cycle.  The length (L) is the distance between A and B.  The time passed is the difference between T=1 and 2 or 2 and 3.  The time did not move between A and B, and there are no values of time between T=1 and 2 or 2 and 3.  The length L is discrete, it is not subdivided.  There are no values of x within L. The length is in 1 dimension and time is a property of that length.  Nature is simple, tidoms are simple.
A second look at a Tidom:  If a POINT does not exist, what is the next "bigger" thing that does exist.  This will build the universe and everything in it.   It is a preon, that which builds all elementary particles.  Start with a point, in math, (x,y,z,t) as used in Special Relativity. However, we see that If two references are moving the value of time (t) is determined from the dimension in motion, which implies that if x, the property, t for y, z and x are not independent of each other.  So the point we will start with is (x,y,z) with times (tx,ty and tz), or three independent times.  This isn’t hard, as later one may assume the three are just one time. Now we need something "bigger". If the value of x in a point is a single value, then to be bigger we need x to be a line segment, (Lx) with its own time (tx).  This is a Tidom, a time degree of freedom.  The tidom is the line segment with its own time.    Both the line segment and time are discrete.  (L,T)x.  For now, Planck's length and time.  We CAN NOT have one without the other.  We saw that points need a line segment. Time and Length are two different properties of the same thing, of a Tidom, both are ALWAYS  together.

We need to start again at 3 different places.  When Time first started, because we need to know what was here before any Big Bang (BB).  When Time started at this BB, because it will help to understand first particles.  And what are the properties of a Tidom, because they build particles which then build systems of particles which we see.  These 3 are related and thus necessary to each other, we will cover a little of each first.  Hopefully ending  with a follow up explanation later.

Start with small t, time in both directions. At some time in the past there was no Time in Zu.  There was a Zu. Now unused Time starts to accumulate.  No Time is passing so this period of Time is zero, but not necessarily from t's point of view.  And the amount of unused Time accumulated may be very different from the amount of time (t) that passes.  On the far side of this start time; using t  only Time could have existed.  This cycle of unused Time starting and ending with zero unused time could have repeated may times.   But none of the cycles are infinite, because if one can’t get from here back an infinite time, then time from there CAN’T get here.  There is a reason for Time starting, so that Time can stop.  Remember if time is the only thing in this universe and you think, than time thinks.  That's as much as I may say at this time about Time starting.  

We now have unused Time accumulating in Zu.  The unused Time is one of two modes of Time, the other is used Time or vibrating Time, or Time that changes values.   As unused Time accumulates, it reaches an amount which will change states to the other mode, used Time, or vibrating Time. This creates a particle in Zu. When all the accumulated Time changes modes, the unused accumulated amount is zero and the vibrating Time is now a particle in Zu. 

The first Big Bang was very small compared to ours.  At some time later all the vibrating Time will stop vibrating and all that stopped Time is now unused Time in Zu again.  It is still later, more unused Time is in Zu than at the time of the first Bang, because there is another period of unused Time accumulating,  some of the used Time was "lost" to make Time tick,  but the total is more and we have a second bigger BB.  The physics between the two Bangs is different.  The reason is that we started with nothing, added the start of Time and the reason for doing that.  If you have nothing, add Time, the only reason possibility is to stop time.  To do that all vibrating Time must return as unused Time and in Zu.  However that does not stop Time, it only keeps it from changing. To have no Time you need to use up both modes of Time completely.  Since the first BB did not do this, the laws of physics change.  The evolution of the laws is like any evolution. The laws optimize over some parameter, in this case, each or both R and C.  The optimization is to have ALL amounts of Time used up at the same moment.  Thus we would see a universe that keep going longer and longer as we have BB after BB, each lasting longer.  And the reason for that is that as Time vibrates it uses itself up. That Time is not conserved, it's gone.  Real Photons are a clear and easy example of this. The Time in our universe is all from previous unused time that accumulated.  All the time our universe existed , the current time was accumulating in Zu.  Thus the particles must use more time than is accumulating for it all to be used up at one moment.  Now let’s jump to Tidoms and start physics.

I see this was posted in "I luv 2 do math" two weeks ago.

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In my laymans thinking--there never was a "nothing"

If there was a "nothing" then something could not have been made from

"nothing".

Regarding the Big Bang--there was always a "something". The very condensed mater/energy which exploded into our universe was

"something".

Does this make sense to anyone?

You are right on about nothing.  But "something" you assumed both SOMETHING and TIME were the same thing. So that if you have one you have the other.   So time can start but still do not have something.  And that leads to just the opposite.  We can have something and no time changing.

I think it would helpful if you made points that were more quantitative and less qualitative. 

For example:

"The second mode of time is used time, a Tidom.  A tidom is a preon which builds elementary particles.  All elementary particles are built from three tidoms and only tidoms, even mass and space, all exist within Zu. Mass is a form of energy, energy is a form of time.  A tidom is time, changing over a distance, momentum.  Momentum is more fundamental than time or distance, one does not exist without the other."

I'm having trouble understanding what you are trying to convey here. In one sentence you define a "Tidom" as a component of an elementary particle, In the next you define it as the time over a distance (I assume this is similar to Proper Time τ, in SR). This is like saying that a particle is made up of its position in space when clearly the position of a particle at any given moment is more or less arbitrary, I could just as easily choose some other coordinate system that would put the particle somewhere else without changing what it is. Then you say that momentum is "time, changing over a distance"? I'm sorry but that makes no sense unless what you are calling momentum has nothing to do with momentum in classical mechanics. 

There are other inconsistencies, First you say that time is discrete, that the universe has a framerate, then you make the assumption that time is continuous. This is simply a blatant contradiction unless you are using the word time to describe multiple completely different things. 

The language of Physics is Mathematics, you haven't used very much here which is part of why I think it is difficult for me to understand exactly what you are trying to say. I'm sorry but in its current state this reminds me of the old site Time Cube: http://timecube.2enp.com/

First.  Thank you for even reading the forum.    Go really slow, please and I will answer all your question.   A titdom is a component of a particles.  A particle needs three and each tidom is pretty much like the next.   Oh I, spell tidom; Tiedom these days.  A tiedom is time over a distance. that is not time as you think of time or distance as you think of distance.  It's a Tiedom which has two properties, time and distance.  NO place, ever, does time or distance exist by themselves. A Tiedom by itself does NOT exist in our universe.  When in our universe it is energy, but only if 3.   Discrete;  yes , time and distance are discrete,  Nothing is continuous,  NOT time, NOT distance.  so even the words I use have very different meaning from their normal use and I am sure that is a problem for understanding this.   Do not know where I used the assumption time is continuous, please list line.  Thanks again.  

Is this astronomy or cosmology, or neither.

RPaulB ability to cover the incredibly small and incredibly large within a short paragraph, remarkable.

Need to put this forum at the top of the lists of forums so that every one can easily find it.   Thank you.

"Remarkable" is most diplomatic.