I was in that situation like that...
"you don't believe in God? what happens when you die"
"i just die... like a fire"
"who created the Universe"
'the big bam"
"where did the big bam come from"
"Tell me... Where did God Come From"
Before i could answer... he left chess.com :(
"i gtg, sorry WolfLeader, but this site bores me"
I was in that situation like that...
"you don't believe in God? what happens when you die"
"i just die... like a fire"
"who created the Universe"
'the big bam"
"where did the big bam come from"
"Tell me... Where did God Come From"
Before i could answer... he left chess.com :(
"i gtg, sorry WolfLeader, but this site bores me"
Before i could answer... he left chess.com :(
"i gtg, sorry WolfLeader, but this site bores me"
Huh? I dont get it that much....
God would be above the whole concept of cause and effect. And it's actually "the big bang" not "bam." And, really at the risk of sounding like a know it all, the big bang didn't come from a planet (ie, in the theory), but from a singularity, which is thought to have been created by hyper-dimensional membranes. But you don't need to worry about that until... ever. However, you're point is valid. Our universe has far to many specific variables to be naturally occuring.
An interesting discussion I had once involved the other person saying that the universe never began, it always was as it is now, and will be forever. There is no reason for it, it's just the way it is.
Yes
An interesting discussion I had once involved the other person saying that the universe never began, it always was as it is now, and will be forever. There is no reason for it, it's just the way it is.
For the next time it comes up...the 2nd law of thermodynamics briefly: energy dissipates as heat and becomes unavailable for work. In other words, system run down, wind down, get slower, move toward disorder, etc.,. This is the most tested/supported law in physics and disproves an eternal universe.
Hope this helps.
An interesting discussion I had once involved the other person saying that the universe never began, it always was as it is now, and will be forever. There is no reason for it, it's just the way it is.
For the next time it comes up...the 2nd law of thermodynamics briefly: energy dissipates as heat and becomes unavailable for work. In other words, system run down, wind down, get slower, move toward disorder, etc.,. This is the most tested/supported law in physics and disproves an eternal universe.
Hope this helps.
Yes....
while I am at it...the 1st law states that matter/energy cannot be created or destroyed. This proves the universe cannot create itself.
So if the universe cannot self-create and if it has to have a beginning because it cannot be eternal, then what is left? Creation? Unfortunately, this line of reasoning ends here as far as science goes. To know any better, we will need a revelation by a Creator. Luckily we have one.
This is all wasted conversation if it does not eventually lead you to present the gospel to the other party. Don't let the devil steer your conversation so far into philosophy that you forget the point: spread the gospel: The Lord Jesus Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again.
while I am at it...the 1st law states that matter/energy cannot be created or destroyed. This proves the universe cannot create itself.
So if the universe cannot self-create and if it has to have a beginning because it cannot be eternal, then what is left? Creation? Unfortunately, this line of reasoning ends here as far as science goes. To know any better, we will need a revelation by a Creator. Luckily we have one.
This is all wasted conversation if it does not eventually lead you to present the gospel to the other party. Don't let the devil steer your conversation so far into philosophy that you forget the point: spread the gospel: The Lord Jesus Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again.
You are very right!!
This is all wasted conversation if it does not eventually lead you to present the gospel to the other party. Don't let the devil steer your conversation so far into philosophy that you forget the point: spread the gospel: The Lord Jesus Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again.
What have you got against philosophy?
This is all wasted conversation if it does not eventually lead you to present the gospel to the other party. Don't let the devil steer your conversation so far into philosophy that you forget the point: spread the gospel: The Lord Jesus Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again.
What have you got against philosophy?
He's right about "The Lord Jesus Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again.", but he doesn't understand
D_Plew. There is nothing inherantly wrong with philosophy. However, it is a distraction. Christians get so involved with winnning debates that they never share the gospel. Nothing could please Satan more. That was my point.
I hope you find my comments about thermodynamics useful in future discussions with unbelievers and un-Biblical Christians. Not so that you may win your debate, but that you can save the lost and grow the saved.
God bless.
Basketball Player
I was not referencing this conversation, but was refering to the conversation D-Plew had with another person. If D-Plew was not able to present the gosel or plant some seeds (word of God: Isaiah 55:11) then all the talk was useless to the other person. Even if you convince them that their view is wrong, but never give them knowledge of Jesus, then they are still headed to hell. I was not degrading this present conversation and I apologize if you thought I was.
God bless
What you say makes sense on the surface but doesn't seem to stand to further thought. For example, the 1st law of thermodynamics (I thought that was the 3rd law?) seems to point to the eternal universe theory, not a creator. However, the existence of the law means that there must have been some form of drawing order (in the form of a thermodynamic law) out of chaos. Which could either occur naturally or by a creator. So while the eternal universe theory still does not stand, it is not directly because of the law.
I will respect your opinion that I should have planted seeds, as you probably have greater wisdom in that area, but at the time it seemed much more logical to give reason to pay attention to God, so that they might find out something for themselves, rather than just being told something so they might ignore it (again, I'm not saying you're wrong, it's just what I thought at the time.)
D_Plew. There is nothing inherantly wrong with philosophy. However, it is a distraction. Christians get so involved with winnning debates that they never share the gospel. Nothing could please Satan more. That was my point.
I hope you find my comments about thermodynamics useful in future discussions with unbelievers and un-Biblical Christians. Not so that you may win your debate, but that you can save the lost and grow the saved.
God bless.
Oh... that's what you meant.... now I get it! Christians sometimes get too much involved in winning debates that they don't share the gosphel and that's what Satan want's but what we don't want
Basketball Player
I was not referencing this conversation, but was refering to the conversation D-Plew had with another person. If D-Plew was not able to present the gosel or plant some seeds (word of God: Isaiah 55:11) then all the talk was useless to the other person. Even if you convince them that their view is wrong, but never give them knowledge of Jesus, then they are still headed to hell. I was not degrading this present conversation and I apologize if you thought I was.
God bless
You made it clear to me what you meant so I should apoligize
D-Plew wrote: For example, the 1st law of thermodynamics (I thought that was the 3rd law?) seems to point to the eternal universe theory, not a creator.
Analogy: I drew a picture on a piece of paper. The boundaries of the paper define and restrict the picture. However, those boundaries do not apply to the artist, me.
If there is a creator science cannot test said creator by laws that the creator designed. Thermodynamics cannot be used to test whether or not there is a creator. However, it can disprove an eternal, materialistic-only universe. I still have the opinion that the 2nd law would disprove that order arises naturally. However, it is not worth disagreeing about.
D-Plew wrote that he wanted to '...give reason to pay attention to God, so that they might find out something for themselves...it's just what I thought at the time.'
I truly believe you did some good. Stay close to God (James 4:8a) and always listen to that still, small voice (Isaiah 30:21). He will direct your thoughts to say the right words at the right time.
Basketballplayer. You owe me no apologies. James 5:16 says to confess our faults one to another and Ephesians 4:15 says that I can speak truth (cold and hard facts) and do speak it in love (with compassion). Thank you for showing me that I am not clear sometimes, I need to be flexible and not as dogmatic with my opinions that may or may not be true. God bless you both.
D-Plew wrote: For example, the 1st law of thermodynamics (I thought that was the 3rd law?) seems to point to the eternal universe theory, not a creator.
Analogy: I drew a picture on a piece of paper. The boundaries of the paper define and restrict the picture. However, those boundaries do not apply to the artist, me.
If there is a creator science cannot test said creator by laws that the creator designed. Thermodynamics cannot be used to test whether or not there is a creator. However, it can disprove an eternal, materialistic-only universe. I still have the opinion that the 2nd law would disprove that order arises naturally. However, it is not worth disagreeing about.
D-Plew wrote that he wanted to '...give reason to pay attention to God, so that they might find out something for themselves...it's just what I thought at the time.'
I truly believe you did some good. Stay close to God (James 4:8a) and always listen to that still, small voice (Isaiah 30:21). He will direct your thoughts to say the right words at the right time.
Basketballplayer. You owe me no apologies. James 5:16 says to confess our faults one to another and Ephesians 4:15 says that I can speak truth (cold and hard facts) and do speak it in love (with compassion). Thank you for showing me that I am not clear sometimes, I need to be flexible and not as dogmatic with my opinions that may or may not be true. God bless you both.
(po218 said:Thank you for showing me that I am not clear sometimes, I need to be flexible and not as dogmatic with my opinions that may or may not be true. God bless you both.) You are right! Everyone is like that though!
If there was an explosion that made the earth, how did the explosion start? If someone says "A planet!" you can ask "How did that planet start?" And you can just keep asking it to yourself another time and see if it ever ends... I made this so that unchristians can think....