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i just care "PROLETARIANS IS PROLETARIANS, NO ONE CARE ABOUT IDEOLOGIES IN THIS TIME"

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You dont like Comrade Lenin

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MK_Socialist317 wrote:

i just care "PROLETARIANS IS PROLETARIANS, NO ONE CARE ABOUT IDEOLOGIES IN THIS TIME"

Then what will liberate them if not one ideology?

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you are washing my brain in this time.

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iniyanj wrote:

Then what will liberate them if not one ideology?

so they are just anarchist.

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Each group of proletarian like one ideology when they are liberated and everyone including proletariat dies of civil war after revolution even though everyone is communist, will they?

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MK_Socialist317 wrote:

you are washing my brain in this time.

No comrade, I am debating

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no.

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MK_Socialist317 wrote:
iniyanj wrote:

Then what will liberate them if not one ideology?

so they are just anarchist.

Anarchism in definite meaning is the presence of no government

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iniyanj đã viết:

Mỗi nhóm vô sản đều thích một hệ tư tưởng khi họ được giải phóng và mọi người bao gồm cả giai cấp vô sản đều chết trong nội chiến sau cách mạng mặc dù mọi người đều theo chủ nghĩa cộng sản, phải không?

In the Chinese civil war, the reason it started was that in 1912, in order to overthrow the monarchy, the communists and the nationalists together overthrew it, but then Chiang Kai-shek turned against the communists and killed all the communists.

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you see? even though they agree,but they hate each other

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When Japan invaded China, both sides had to stop the civil war and unite against Japan. Although they fought against Japan together, they loved to conflict with each other. Later, the civil war still broke out.

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Chiang Kai shek was capitalist and wanted to overthrow monarchy, and Communist were communist that civil war was between capitalist and communists not communists and communists

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sigh, is your brain rotted? you dont understand it?

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But this debate is talking about some thing like the russian civil war

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Which was a multi party civil war

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is just monarchist and communist.

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those multiparties included many DIFFERENT parties including many socialist and anrchist parties. This war ended in bloodshed which was not the intention of lenin. This is exactly why leftist unity is not very possible.

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list?

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Mensheviks
Right Socialist-Revolutionaries (Right SRs)
Constitutional Democratic Party (Kadets) (though liberal, had some left-leaning members)
Bund (General Jewish Labour Bund in Lithuania, Poland, and Russia)
Ukrainian Social Democratic Labour Party (USDRP)
Georgian Social Democratic Party (Menshevik-led government in Georgia)
Basmachi Movement (though more nationalist, had socialist factions)