Intermediate Plan Questions

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PapaShepherd

I have a couple of weeks left in the Beginner 2 plan but am already looking ahead to doing one of the Intermediate plans. I have a few questions for anyone that has done the plans or utilized the methods therein.

Woodpecker v Spaced Repetition 

One plan calls for the Woodpecker approach. I am familiar with this and also the very similar predecessor from de la Maza. I've also read through Empirical Rabbit's spaced repetition experiments from 10+ years go. He did all of that before sites like Chessable and Chess Tempo existed, but I like the concept of spaced repetition better than the Woodpecker/Maza approach. Has anyone done both and have a recommendation? I've been thinking of substituting simple tactics sets on ChessTempo and following ER's approach instead of Woodpecker. Perhaps I would do the ER approach and then redo the plan with Woodpecker as a comparison.

Yusupov

The rating range for the intermediate plans is 1100-1699. While my blitz is nowhere near 1100, my Rapid rating qualifies under the ChessGoals ratings comparisons as 1300 Rapid ~ 1100 Blitz. That said, from what I've read of Yusupov, it seems quite difficult and some say it's even hard for 1400 USCF players and that perhaps starting closer to 1600 is better. I am thinking doing the other Intermediate plan first and then trying for Yusupov after 12 or 24 additional weeks of study may be better. I am definitely excited to try that program, but do not want to beat my head against the wall.

Intermediate Rapid & Classical Plan

I saw this plan mentioned in the ChessGoals "does Blitz make you a better player?" article, but I cannot seem to find it. Does this plan exist?

ninjaswat

Instead of Yusupov books you could try one of Aagard's...

I have a friend who did the woodpecker method, @ricorat, and I believe it helped him a bit, but imo the best part of the woodpecker method is puzzles sorted by difficulty, using it like any other puzzle book is perfectly fine. I've tried chessable's spaced repetition and I think in both methods you just end up memorizing puzzles after a few runs... Which is not super conducive to improvement.

jdcannon

I also prefer Spaced Repetition and would use that over the wood pecker method. I think they are more or less interchangeable.

I were you, I would try a little bit of Yusupov. If can't solve at least half the problems he gives, then put it aside until later. Or if there are no problems to solve, but his half his explanations are meaningless to you, then again that probably means its too hard.

Generally, I think its important that the material you are reading be difficult but not impossible. Impossible to feel motivated to read/study something if you feel lost the entire time.

I will check with matt if that plan exists.

SmarterChess

Intermediate Rapid & Classical was renamed Advanced Plan 1 and is in the Advanced study plan document.

PapaShepherd

Thanks Matt. I won't worry about that plan for now then. happy.png

Appreciate the insight on Woodpecker and also Yusupov. I will grab a copy of the Book 1 and see how it looks.

brujomafufo

The difference is that with Woodpecker you repeat problems the same regardless of you failing them or not. Space Repetition optimizes for the ones you fail instead. In paper I think Space Repetition is better but somehow I've found Woodpecker more effective. I assume it's because it's easier for me to get motivated if I know that for the next two months I will be focused on improving tactics and just do them hardcore (instead of trusting Chessable feeding me the problems in the frequency they want). With both you will memorize some of the problems but I've found that the pattern is mostly memorized as well.

PapaShepherd

Thanks @krolth45. The Empirical Rabbit method kind of blends them, so it's not true spaced repetition. You take the same problem set (say 500 problems in 10 sets of 50) and you repeat the entire set on a spaced repetition format (say 1,2,4,8,16, etc days). You work on the same set but instead of trying to reduce the time over the 7 cycles or so, you increase the spacing.

jdcannon

I think it's easy to get hung up trying to find the best way to study and you end up not studying.

I'd recommend just picking one that appeals to you and not worrying about if it's ideal or not and just run with it.

Doing that you are likely to turn out better than someone (like me) who spent years trying to find the optimal way of studying instead of studying.