⚔️It's not Old Standard | it's not Omatamix🛡️ Poll:

Go to vote:
https://forms.gle/K9wA53ZTpZBBfsJ16

There are 3 options:

 Old Standard |   Omatamix New Standard |  BY

Note Statistics: today 26-04-2022 / 18:36 pm

-So far the statistics indicate that not everyone wants to return to Old Standard, and that they would give BY a chance.
-BY They also express an optimal opinion for its execution and start-up.
-71 people, perhaps they are few people, but those who voted are mostly very powerful representatives, they are frequent 4pc players and have shown interest in participating and seeing changes.
-There are high-level players in TEAM who don't want to go back to the old standard and others showed interest in learning about BY.
-the participation of the community in the forums has always been scarce, therefore it is nothing new.

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Suggestion:

Consult the developers, ever try this configuration?

I started to edit new positions, and tried to find an option where, the kings are not immediately attacked on move 1, as it happens today in Omatamix. I even see this start and it looks very playable (Attached image).

Argumentation BY:

- Red can immediately try to attack blue, but green's counterplay is to immediately attack yellow on move 1. This, considering green being last to move, leaves him in an offensive position from the start.

- There is no such feeling of forced opening
- More variety of openings
- Greens can be strong and offensive from the start

Personal Exercise:

https://www.chess.com/variants/custom/game/26233339

I just finished my first game with greens in this setup I mentioned against bots, and I thought it was fantastic. please have to see the first movements. it feels harmonic and playable.

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Exercises

BY in TEAM:
Configuration analysis in TEAM
They confirm that this format was played before and was well accepted for

Radon| LosChessquire | Rabiitt | JkCheeseChess
https://www.chess.com/variants/custom/game/11112593/0/4

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BY in FFA:
This is another test of the configuration with LosChessquire but analysis in FFA

https://www.chess.com/variants/custom/game/26234574/1/4

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BSRTI in FFA/TEAM Top Player/Admin
We have just carried out other exercises between administrators and a World Top player in FFA/TEAM of BY
Matttin | RicharCG | RogerFederer | martinaxo 

https://www.chess.com/variants/custom/game/26257881/75/4

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The general poll has begun for the entire 4pc circuit, in google form, so you can vote for your preferred option and get the statistics in real time.

Go to vote:
https://forms.gle/K9wA53ZTpZBBfsJ16

This is what will be defined in the coming days, everyone is starting to vote, That's why your opinion is important.

People who have participated in the vote: 71, updated today 18:36:22 pm
I want to thank all these people who have voted, there is still time to vote, lets go!

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I invite each of you to carry out an analysis test of this format and give us your opinion, please.

@JKCheeseChess introduced us to this @bsrti position and everyone immediately liked it!

For more details and analysis check out this post:  

https://www.chess.com/clubs/forum/view/i-think-its-time-we-end-this-once-and-for-all

The Kings face each other in the starting position, just like in 2 pc.  We'll have different openings, old theory can still be used, an exciting new theory will emerge, and it's more fun to play!   

Here's another game for reference:  

https://www.chess.com/variants/custom/game/11112538/0/1

I encourage everyone to play some games, compare it to Old Standard and Omatamix, and I think we'll all agree that this may be the best position of them all.  

I'd pay money for that set-up tbh.

Correct, Being a loyal supporter of Omatamix, upon experiencing the gameplay of this Configuration, it immediately seemed much more coherent, logical, diverse, harmonious, and fluid. Does not feel forced in the opening.

I'm surprised this wasn't discussed earlier, I wonder how many players know about this Configuration?

Everything, so that greens are not so affected, will seem fair and appropriate to adjust and optimize, and this seems like an excellent alternative.

This comment also makes a lot of sense to me. This configuration gives you that similarity to 2pc and its playability as well, it seems to me that here the best balance desired and expected by all is achieved.

@bsrti this configuration is success, for what we are looking for quite some time.

I have an idea, are you able to set up this position as a Variant called bsrti, and then create a week-long Arena to get exposure to this new position?

This way we'll be able to get feedback from more players and see how well it's received. 

I will immediately propose it to the administration team.

If you prefer BSRTI, or another, you must go to vote:
https://forms.gle/K9wA53ZTpZBBfsJ16

This won't really change anything. People don't really care if it's old standard, new standard, or this position. The main thing is the solo scoring system. Higher rated players are afraid that they will lose a bunch of rating because of some noob throwing the game. Also the new server has navigation problems; And right now 4pc just looks like another stupid 2pc variant to new potential players. This is why the old server was so much better, people could see that 4pc was its own thing, and I'm sure that made it far more attractive. Also navigation was better, new and old standard were both played equally. The only problem you are addressing is that some feel that new standard has boring and fixed openings which isn't true. This new position won't bring all of those players you lost back. My advice is that you simply go back to the old scoring system and clean up the new server.

But I do like this position.

My main pursuit was to make it both exciting to play, like the old standard, and fix the issues of balance in FFA/Teams as in the old standard. I have tested numerous setups with the strong players, concluding that the BY setup is by far the best option we have. It does have a starting disadvantage in teams for BG, however, just like in standard chess, it is possible to neutralize, albeit somewhat easier than in the old standard. Green / blue has a lot of sound options to play, with blue having the greatest variety of options and being the least limited in both modes, while green is more limited in FFA but less limited in teams.

We are actively working to fix the current scoring system, which shall be done very soon.

And then, after we get all that feedback, we can disregard it all and force everyone to play the omatamix setup!

I guess people are still sour about admins not really listening (except one of them as of this topic)

- I absolutely agree with your opinion regarding the ranking system. and we are discussing it in the administration for a full month and a consensus or general agreement is being reached.

- Darksquareman comments, always within a framework of respect and communication.

- The saying: This won't really change anything. People don't really care if it's old standard, new standard, or this position. / ok I understand your anger and anger, because I am also angry with this situation. 

- For your information published, there are many people who are interested in this topic.

I ask you to please also participate in this vote, since it is also important to do so.
Regards.

Your Approach with the configuration BSRTI, it seems to me that it is the most appropriate for FFA and TEAM.

I will as soon as I can.

We hope that it will be optimized and you can enjoy a good start to the tournament.

I think it's great that we have an admin actively getting feedback from the community in regards to the position, and sharing the results.  I doubt the team will be able to ignore that only 10% of players want to play Omatamix, while there are 2 better positions available that we all want. 

The problem was changing to Omatamix AND the Solo system combined, along with merging with 2 PC variants all at once.  They were all such drastic changes. 

Addressing the 2 main issues will make 4 PC better than it used to be. 

All we need is a better starting position, whether it's bsrti or Old Standard, instead of Omatamix. 

We need the FFA scoring system to go back to as close to what we had before, instead of Solo. 

For now, we need to get tons of people to vote for this poll, let's spread the word. 

I really hope BSRTI (idk if I wrote it right) become a variant accepted by the 4pc admins, BSRTI to me is half offensive and defensive, which is pretty gud, I found old standard too defensive, and the omatomix too offensive, (except for teams), I do like all 3, but I personally like the BSRTI position the most for FFA