King's Fianchetto Openings

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WowThisIsWeird

I'm studying openings with fianchettos on king-side. 

Here are the main things I've learned: 

  • The king's fianchetto is good because it defends the king. The g6 pawn controls important squares and the bishop is a defense against back-rank mate.
  • The fianchetto's main drawback is that it takes up time, first to move the g-pawn, second fianchetto the bishop, third play d6 to control the dark squares and stop the white pawns from advancing.
  • The main danger for the king's fianchetto is a protected e5 pawn (as black). For example: (this is the position my book shows and a position from one of the Garry Kasparov vs Gata Kamsky 1991  games. (Is there only one, or is there multiple games lol)
    Black's bishop is in terrible trouble as it cannot move anywhere. According to my book (The Fianchetto Solution by Emmanuel Neiman and Samy Shoker, for those who were wondering) "[the protected e5-pawn] controls the f6-square by preventing a defensive black knight from reaching it, allowing White to start a kingside attack with h4-h5."

Any more info about the King's Fianchetto stuff, openings that feature the king's fianchetto, etc., will be appreciated happy.png

DasBurner

You could argue that the Fianchetto protects the king and makes the defense weaker. Yes it prevents a back rank mate in theory, but 1. It's not hard to avoid back ranks anyway 2. There's still potential for a back rank if the Fianchetto gets pinned and the same colored bishop from the enemy is able to pierce through the structure. Hence why playing a Kingside Fianchetto is considered to be more aggressive in nature than playing classically (i.e King's Indian, Modern Defense, etc)

3point14159too

I'm pretty sure in King's fianchetto positions, you have to play c5/e5 in order to keep the bishop's potential. d6 is also common to stop e5 pushes by white as in this position.

DasBurner

Some common Kingside Fianchetto openings

White: Catalan, Closed Vienna (Mieses variation), Zagreb Najdorf, King's Indian Attack

Black: Leningrad Dutch, King's Indian Defense, Modern Defense, Pirc Defense etc

WowThisIsWeird
DaBabysBurner wrote:

Some common Kingside Fianchetto openings

White: Catalan, Closed Vienna (Mieses variation), Zagreb Najdorf, King's Indian Attack

Black: Leningrad Dutch, King's Indian Defense, Modern Defense, Pirc Defense etc

*thinks about when I played the pirc as a 500* (even though I love theory, so I guess if I know the purpose of the moves I'll be fine)

anhbao123

If you really want theory, try the Grünfeld (I know you won't be able to play it properly)

3point14159too

Grunfeld is a nightmare lol, I've been trying to learn it and the main lines of the exchange are a pain the arse. But nobody at my level plays any d4 opening other than the London, and if they do, they blunder their c-pawn and/or rook.

DasBurner

I don't really find the Grunfeld exchange variation to be too hard to learn, most of it is pretty much straight-forward, just attack the weak center with moves like c5 nc6 qa5 etc. I find the other systems of white like the Russian system and the Three Knights much harder to understand

3point14159too

I haven't even started those lol. And the Bc4 line of the exchange has a really weird line (hanging pawns go over it) with an exchange sac.

anhbao123
DaBabysBurner wrote:

I don't really find the Grunfeld exchange variation to be too hard to learn, most of it is pretty much straight-forward, just attack the weak center with moves like c5 nc6 qa5 etc. I find the other systems of white like the Russian system and the Three Knights much harder to understand

The idea is straight forward but not easy to play. You need to play those moves with some particular order based on white's move. If you don't, white will be able to create a solid center and it is really hard to do anything.

DasBurner
anhbao123 wrote:
DaBabysBurner wrote:

I don't really find the Grunfeld exchange variation to be too hard to learn, most of it is pretty much straight-forward, just attack the weak center with moves like c5 nc6 qa5 etc. I find the other systems of white like the Russian system and the Three Knights much harder to understand

The idea is straight forward but not easy to play. You need to play those moves with some particular order based on white's move. If you don't, white will be able to create a solid center and it is really hard to do anything.

True, similar to the Alekhine where it's imperative that black undermine white's center as quickly as possible to avoid a giant pawn clump in the center blocking your pieces in

Chr0mePl8edSt0vePipe
WowThisIsWeird wrote:

I'm studying openings with fianchettos on king-side. 

Here are the main things I've learned: 

  • The king's fianchetto is good because it defends the king. The g6 pawn controls important squares and the bishop is a defense against back-rank mate.
  • The fianchetto's main drawback is that it takes up time, first to move the g-pawn, second fianchetto the bishop, third play d6 to control the dark squares and stop the white pawns from advancing.
  • The main danger for the king's fianchetto is a protected e5 pawn (as black). For example: (this is the position my book shows and a position from one of the Garry Kasparov vs Gata Kamsky 1991  games. (Is there only one, or is there multiple games lol) Black's bishop is in terrible trouble as it cannot move anywhere. According to my book (The Fianchetto Solution by Emmanuel Neiman and Samy Shoker, for those who were wondering) "[the protected e5-pawn] controls the f6-square by preventing a defensive black knight from reaching it, allowing White to start a kingside attack with h4-h5."

Any more info about the King's Fianchetto stuff, openings that feature the king's fianchetto, etc., will be appreciated

Definitely the weaknesses causes by g6. h6 and f6 are really dun fer if the bishop decides to head out.

Andreikin vs Karjakin 

Karjakin resigned on move 10

MrIndia

This reminder me of this game lol

https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1994904&kpage=1#kibitzing

The site has some detailed analysis if someone wants to look 

Chushoudelu
DaBabysBurner wrote:

Some common Kingside Fianchetto openings

White: Catalan, Closed Vienna (Mieses variation), Zagreb Najdorf, King's Indian Attack

Black: Leningrad Dutch, King's Indian Defense, Modern Defense, Pirc Defense etc

triggered cuz no dragon.

WowThisIsWeird

Also, is the kingside fianchetto better than the queenside fianchetto in any way?

3point14159too

not really, although imo it looks better when your castled behind kingside than queenside lul

WowThisIsWeird

ig that makes sense lol

DasBurner
WowThisIsWeird wrote:

Also, is the kingside fianchetto better than the queenside fianchetto in any way?

they're just different, not better or worse

Chushoudelu
WowThisIsWeird wrote:

Also, is the kingside fianchetto better than the queenside fianchetto in any way?

I would go into heavy explaination but too lazy so briefly.
Kingside:
PROS: No backrank
-Is a beast if opened up and attacking the queenside

- No greek gift ideas

- Generally no sacking, with exception of h4 h5 push

- Good king defence

CONS:
The squares around your king are bleh
if bishop gone and op still has u ded

h4 h5

if theres a pawn on f6 from either side you are sad

basically either rlly useful or trash, or trash rn but in future has big role eg KID you need bf8 later

queenside
PROS: no real weakness(not gonna castle lol)

attacks kingside

with a knight on f3/f6 you have a bind

Used to control e4 as black usually dont see much from white

CONS: in QGD lines after b6 they take d5 and well, no fianchetto big weakness, so you do it, but the pawn on d5 makes it meh

like stated earlier pawn on d5

if op castles queenside it doesn't do much, but then you usually have the c file so no matter

in Sicilian lines(nadorf) after a6 b5 bb7 because you can, be wary of nxb5/bxb5, you don't want to be screwed.

Basically can be fairly useful as attack from afar, but it can make weaknesses

WowThisIsWeird

Cool, this is really uselful, thanks!