London System (Questions about multiple openings)

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Bestunknownplayer

Ola, so you are like, "WTF IS YOUR PROBLEM STICK TO ONE OPENING JESUS!!?!?!?!"

But I have picked my 3 openings to play up until about 1200-1300 ELO. Then I go back to Sicilian hehe..

1 - London System (d4, white)

2- Caro-Kann (vs. e4, black)

3- Dutch (vs. d4, black)

I also have questions.. 

1. How should I play vs. this -

This is kind of a weird variation of the London system and was wondering if I should push e3 or push the central pawn, but there are queen problems (I.E. Qb6)

How to Counter the KID?

This is what I have so far, but I need help if my opponent plays h5.

But..

What if this happens?? (W/ideas)

Caro Questions

1. What theory should I play against white's advanced? I don't like the idea of the Bf5 because the tal for white is dangerous. I do like the idea of the Botvinnik though.

Dutch Question

I don't know much theory about the dutch, or variations, which is why im going to consult with my openings boi (@ChessHistoryRocks) and help me with this. But if anybody could give me theory on variations of the dutch, like the Christmas tree wink.png.

If you have any other things/strategies to tell me, please do so! I need to crush my opponents lol.

Th-n-anks!

DasBurner

1. That is one of the best ways to counter the London system as black. You could play e3, but that runs into qb6 and then you have to be prepared in a variety of lines. You could also play d5, and play it like a Benoni, but after 3. d6 4. c4 e5! black has achieved equality and perhaps has a better position

2. I wouldn't play London against King's Indian, there are better options for white

3. Tal is fine for black, as long as you know the lines (Just like any opening. I find the short variation a much greater test against the bf5 variation personally), although the bf5 lines are much more theory-extensive. c5 is also a fine variation for black

4. Don't play the Dutch if you don't know it (LIKE ANY OPENING). Dutch has a lot of theory as well and white is comfortable in almost any variation

 

 

Bestunknownplayer
DaBabysBurner wrote:

1. That is one of the best ways to counter the London system as black. You could play e3, but that runs into qb6 and then you have to be prepared in a variety of lines. You could also play d5, and play it like a Benoni, but after 3. d6 4. c4 e5! black has achieved equality and perhaps has a better position

2. I wouldn't play London against King's Indian, there are better options for white

3. Tal is fine for black, as long as you know the lines (Just like any opening. I find the short variation a much greater test against the bf5 variation personally), although the bf5 lines are much more theory-extensive. c5 is also a fine variation for black

4. Don't play the Dutch if you don't know it (LIKE ANY OPENING). Dutch has a lot of theory as well and white is comfortable in almost any variation

 

 

That doesn’t give me much other than I should quit everything I’m trying to accomplish. The only decent information was from 1 and 3. And for “better options” what better options could there be? I do know the Dutch, but I haven’t studied it much at all, there aren’t any other options I like vs. d4 other than Nimzo.

DasBurner
Bestunknownplayer wrote:
DaBabysBurner wrote:

1. That is one of the best ways to counter the London system as black. You could play e3, but that runs into qb6 and then you have to be prepared in a variety of lines. You could also play d5, and play it like a Benoni, but after 3. d6 4. c4 e5! black has achieved equality and perhaps has a better position

2. I wouldn't play London against King's Indian, there are better options for white

3. Tal is fine for black, as long as you know the lines (Just like any opening. I find the short variation a much greater test against the bf5 variation personally), although the bf5 lines are much more theory-extensive. c5 is also a fine variation for black

4. Don't play the Dutch if you don't know it (LIKE ANY OPENING). Dutch has a lot of theory as well and white is comfortable in almost any variation

 

 

That doesn’t give me much other than I should quit everything I’m trying to accomplish. The only decent information was from 1 and 3. And for “better options” what better options could there be? I do know the Dutch, but I haven’t studied it much at all, there aren’t any other options I like vs. d4 other than Nimzo.

2. h4 isn't a good move because h5 just completely locks the position down and white's position is developed enough to start a pawn storm. bd3 or nf3 instead of h4 is much better. Kingside attacks like that aren't easy in the London because of the dumb bishop on f4 getting in the way of everything

4. I mean, what do you want? You'd have to build an entire repertoire with the Dutch because either side can choose a million different variations

ninjaswat

God just stick to the Nimzo for goodness sake... literally no one at his level knows that much theory though

Bestunknownplayer
ninjaswat wrote:

God just stick to the Nimzo for goodness sake... literally no one at his level knows that much theory though

Put it a bit lighter next time but gotcha.

3point14159too

Yeah, theory might be useful, but it won't give you a decisive advantage until you're at least 2000 and maybe even higher than that. Not every move that isn't theory is a blunder, it may just be a small positional mistake that is hard to understand let alone exploit. Only once you're extremely high rated, maybe even only at the super GM level, are these mistakes exploitable.

Chr0mePl8edSt0vePipe

1. d4 Nf6 2. Bf4 c5 then go 3. d5 with the general plan of going nc3, preparing e4, and then go e4. Thats what Simon Williams says.

snow

Mate at beginner level just develop pieces and you’ll be fine. No need to learn theory