Mainline Sicilian-Kan (gremu's bishop out): Comments?

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I"m working on a book of 4pc(teams) openings and this seems to be the most popular opening that I have found (no verified statistics on this, but I would welcome them!). I would love to hear from people on what they like/hate about this opening, it's strengths/weaknesses, and wether people think it is better for one side, the other, or pretty balanced.

Mainline Sicilian-Kan (gremu's bishop out)

 

[Variant "Teams"]

1. h2-h3 .. b6-d6 .. h13-h12 .. m9-l9 2. Qg1-j4 .. b8-c8 .. Bi14-g12 .. m8-k8

 

 

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Not bad! It is good defense. Do a attack opening.

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It is balanced too!

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number of teams games
35260 1. h2-h3 ..
7898 1. h2-h3 .. b6-d6 ..
2621 1. h2-h3 .. b6-d6 .. h13-h12 ..
1499 1. h2-h3 .. b6-d6 .. h13-h12 .. m9-l9
100 1. h2-h3 .. b6-d6 .. h13-h12 .. m9-l9 2. Qg1-j4 ..
78 1. h2-h3 .. b6-d6 .. h13-h12 .. m9-l9 2. Qg1-j4 .. b8-c8 ..
49 1. h2-h3 .. b6-d6 .. h13-h12 .. m9-l9 2. Qg1-j4 .. b8-c8 .. Bi14-g12 ..
44 1. h2-h3 .. b6-d6 .. h13-h12 .. m9-l9 2. Qg1-j4 .. b8-c8 .. Bi14-g12 .. m8-k8

 

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number of teams games
35260 1. h2-h3 ..
7898 1. h2-h3 .. b6-d6 ..
2621 1. h2-h3 .. b6-d6 .. h13-h12 ..
1499 1. h2-h3 .. b6-d6 .. h13-h12 .. m9-l9
100 1. h2-h3 .. b6-d6 .. h13-h12 .. m9-l9 2. Qg1-j4 ..
78 1. h2-h3 .. b6-d6 .. h13-h12 .. m9-l9 2. Qg1-j4 .. b8-c8 ..
49 1. h2-h3 .. b6-d6 .. h13-h12 .. m9-l9 2. Qg1-j4 .. b8-c8 .. Bi14-g12 ..
44 1. h2-h3 .. b6-d6 .. h13-h12 .. m9-l9 2. Qg1-j4 .. b8-c8 .. Bi14-g12 .. m8-k8

 

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I don't suppose you can break that into win loss?

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1-0:

15
19
32
47
709
1328
3268
19387

 

0-1
29
30
46
53
790
1253
4345
13152

Draw

0
0
0
0
0
0
1
23

Aborted

0
0
0
0
0
40
284
2698

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So... assuming I'm reading this correctly, and based on the very small sample size... the full opening is better for blue/green but up to this move...

100 1. h2-h3 .. b6-d6 .. h13-h12 .. m9-l9 2. Qg1-j4 ..

the opening is about even...

Thanks for all the data, will spend some time inserting it in happy.png

 

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>>. I consider this variation (Bg12) quite irrelevant at this point since theory kind of moves on.

So, Nutsyci, what do you consider the better move instead of Bg12? (I want to make sure I have that variant in my book).

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the second half of the line looks bad for red.

same for all players 1400+:

1-0

9
11
18
21
465
724
1369
2960

0-1
19
19
27
31
485
751
1606
2623

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nutsyci wrote:
VAOhlman wrote:

>>. I consider this variation (Bg12) quite irrelevant at this point since theory kind of moves on.

So, Nutsyci, what do you consider the better move instead of Bg12? (I want to make sure I have that variant in my book).

Qh13 or Nf12. I would play Qk5 as red on move 2 though.

Thanks. I'll try to put those variations in.

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nutsyci wrote:

While we are at it... 1. h3 d9 0-1  https://www.chess.com/4-player-chess?g=187727-37

OK, I'll put that in too

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 So, I read the chat in that game. You want me to post this under 'dumb openings I've tried but I won anyway.?

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nutsyci wrote:

No, I was looking for the stats on 1. h3 d9. 

 

 

Oh, ok, all players? High ranked only??

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Out of 61000 games I find it being used only 70 times.

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nutsyci wrote:

I wanted the score statistics from all players and intermediate and above. d9 really should score horrible...but at least we have one win for blue and green

8 times out of 6000
Green/Blue one once

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Can you add my name to the book please

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Maosro wrote:

Can you add my name to the book please

Are you saying you wish to have an opening named after you? Or that you want to see the book when it comes out??

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Both maybe?

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Whaat?

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Idk