Do you want to know about fried liver or the line you played in above game?
This was a recent game I played. Kd7 was -3.7 for black. Otherwise I had the advantage (small n big)
Ng5 - how bad is it?
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I suggest switching to 1.d4 I mean ng5 works good and I have played this a lot.
Jul 4, 2021
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#4
The Fried Liver opening is a terrible one, immediately dying off at 3...Bf5! of the aforementioned 3...d4.
Jul 4, 2021
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#5
losing immediately for black
epicusernamehere wrote:
The Fried Liver opening is a terrible one, immediately dying off at 3...Bf5! of the aforementioned 3...d4.
Jul 4, 2021
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Chess_Player_lol wrote:
epicusernamehere wrote:
losing immediately for black
epicusernamehere wrote:
The Fried Liver opening is a terrible one, immediately dying off at 3...Bf5! of the aforementioned 3...d4.
It isn't, really. You can attack the knight and now you're winning
Jul 4, 2021
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#8
MrIndia wrote:
Isn't the move kf8? Instead of ke7
It is. Ke7 blocks in your other bishop and queen, which is really important in the Traxler
Jul 4, 2021
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#9
It's a completely fine move. It's important to note that it forces a response from black, as the threat of nxf7 is too great to ignore. There are a few variations, but anything besides the main move na5 is slightly better for white, and even the main line provides white with an extra pawn (Albeit an undeveloped position).
MrIndia wrote:
Isn't the move kf8? Instead of ke7
Stockfish says this is +0.53
Jul 4, 2021
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DaBabysBurner wrote:
It's a completely fine move. It's important to note that it forces a response from black, as the threat of nxf7 is too great to ignore. There are a few variations, but anything besides the main move na5 is slightly better for white, and even the main line provides white with an extra pawn (Albeit an undeveloped position).
Ppl I've played do this in traxler always :
Black's Position is still lost tho by good play
your example is good @MrIndia but even better is 9. c3! with a +5 advantage for white
to what??
oh ok nvm it does lose the engine didn't load before lol
black has 9...Bg4
yeah I literally had it on Max Analysis which is a special feature, which finds the best move in the position, and it said c3 at +5 and after your comment I went back and it said that 9. c3 was -6 LoL
I’m in a constant loop of playing Bishop’s opening then Ng5 to try for the fried liver. It works like half the time, but the other half I get games like this. Poor development and no control over the center.
I really feel the bishop’s opening + Ng5 (fried liver attack) is really limiting my development and wins. Yet I don’t really know what else to play!
Ive started playing more of the Italian Game since it follows my bishops opening addiciton, which is honestly a very nice and comfortable position for me
And I also have been playing more Vienna games (quite a lot) but don’t really know the actual theory for it other than the basic opening development.
My question is:
How bad really is the fried liver attack for someone like me at my rating? I feel like it’s just a step above the scholars mate, and everybody above 1200 knows exactly how to completely punish it (true or false)
And two, should I completely abandon the bishops opening/Italian game/Vienna opening and actually learn some theory? Theory is hard to learn. Maybe I just need to learn some solid theory and practice it in unrated games, I think the fear of losing ELO while trying new theory is holding me back.
Thoughts?