Ng5 - how bad is it?

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Chushoudelu

Wheres @KeSetoKaibe show the two knights line that you play

DasBurner

 

sndeww

Dababy that isn't enough theory

DasBurner
B1ZMARK wrote:

Dababy that isn't enough theory

idk why cc decided to mess with the variations but here theory dump with slight annotation

 

cricket7890

What about this you missed it:

 

DasBurner

no its in there i think

cricket7890

no you only have the line 5...d5 but anyways this is a rare line, a secret weapon...

sndeww

Ng4 Bf4...? Poor mans Budapest gambit

DasBurner
B1ZMARK wrote:

Ng4 Bf4...? Poor mans Budapest gambit

It's basically just a Rubinstein Budapest with stuff in the middle

cricket7890

Actually no- because of this:

And black has a -1 advantage

DasBurner

yes the d6 move counts as stuff in the middle

sndeww

And this is why I don’t play King pawn opening anymore

DasBurner

because of the Budapest with stuff in the middle or the extra theory

KeSetoKaiba
DaBabysBurner wrote:

It's a completely fine move. It's important to note that it forces a response from black, as the threat of nxf7 is too great to ignore. There are a few variations, but anything besides the main move na5 is slightly better for white, and even the main line provides white with an extra pawn (Albeit an undeveloped position). 

Ng5 has been the "mainline" for literally centuries. Many GMs believe it is fine, but personally I'm with a select few who believe 4. Ng5?! is actually dubious. I'd prefer to play the open variation 4. d4 with White. As for Black, I prefer the Polerio Defense and believe that the sharp lines where Black sacrifices 1, 2 (or even 3 sometimes!) pawns actually "refutes" this entire opening. I've studied a ton of theory into this line out of interest and it is very sharp and complex, but I believe White gets the slightly worse position out of it all. 

With this said, if I play the Polerio Defense and lose, then it is probably because my dynamic compensation for the material (development, attacking chances, initiative etc.) fizzled out (and dies in the endgame), but that is probably because I played sub-optimally at some point. grin.png

Summary: Ng5 is probably okay and certainly playable...but perhaps one day I might prove some "refutation" that conveys Ng5?! being innaccurate. tongue.png

KeSetoKaiba
little_guinea_pig wrote:

Well... I play ng5, so there's nothng wrong with it...

So? I've played many openings with things wrong with it. grin.png We should play this opening sometime @little_guinea_pig and if I lose, then I can blame my middlegame or endgame instead of the opening lol

sndeww

Ng5 is fine, but I’m also not super convinced of it’s legitimacy.

DasBurner

I'm a very materialistic person so I kinda like ng5

DasBurner

Although i did prefer c3 + d4 in the Italian when I played it

Chushoudelu
cricket7890 wrote:

Actually no- because of this:

And black has a -1 advantage

bxf7 O_O

DasBurner
TonyL103 wrote:
cricket7890 wrote:

Actually no- because of this:

And black has a -1 advantage

bxf7 O_O

after d6 it just drops a piece because the knight is guarded