just looking from that position you could always castle the other direction still having a decent defense.But how about instead of moving youre bishop you could always bring either youre knight from the king side down in front of youre rook what i like about this is he chooses to take youre pawn you take him out with youre knight and then once you castle you already have an opening for youre rook to get out and do some damage.The downfall is he canalways free up his queen side bishop and foil this plan.Why not move youre queen in front of youre king and have the same effect.
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I have tried moving the queen in front of the king, and that seems to end tragically faster then swapping bishops. I haven't tried moving the knight like you suggest and will have to give that a try. I know there has to be a solution so I went to Barnes and Noble where I found a chess book that discusses this problem. This opening is called The Italian Game (don't know why yet). The book says this is a very dangerous opening for black (no kidding!). Hope to find a the best moves around it and let you all know. Though I think we can come up with a workable solution by brainstorming. We have a lot of good players in this group....Jake
Nov 11, 2008
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Jake -
I don't think you should be terribly concerned about Bxf7. I don't think its a good position for White. If you play any move to develop a piece at that point, White will be down a piece for a pawn, be equally developed, and only have a marginally better position.
I believe the main line is ...Be7. This is good because it mobilizes another piece and helps get you ready to castle.
Also, this is good to know, since we've played the philidor twice, and you won both times!
After staying up way beyond my bed time last night studying this position, including the book I purchased, things I found online, and clinters and douglownote's advice, I think I have a solution that works for me. Now I'm anxious to try it out on a few people. So if any of you are game, send me a challenge (rated game only please). Make sure you are white and please make the following 3 moves first: e4, Nf3, and Bc4. After that, anything you'd like. Playing is the only way I learn and doing this will not only help me, but everyone else in the group too. We'll all know what to do when facing this opening from either the white or black position. I'll let you know if I was successful or, as I believe will be the case, horribly humiliated.
If anyone has an opening that drives them to drink and would like to do the same type of thing. Start a new forum post discussing it. We are all here to help and learn....Jake
I think most players move the white bishop out so they can then move the queens pawn and get the black bishop out without blocking the white bishop. Other players think they are going to move their queen out to the kings bishop's coloumn and get you with the old tired queen bishop quick kill. I think most of the time you don't have to do anything because most players wont sacrifice a bishop for a pawn, but thanks for the idea. :) I am not good qith the bh7 qc6 rg2 speak yet. My brain hurts!
Nov 12, 2008
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I'm guessing when we all start out over on yahoo chess or whereever, we get killed a lot on early games with young players targeting the f7 pawn with combinations with the c4 bishop and ultimately a g5 knight nad even backed up with f6 queen. I got eaten alive with similiar combinations in my early days online. So when I see that c4 bishop I automatically play h6 to put a stop to all that.
Bruce
Here is an opening I face so often when I play black that I should know what to do, but I don't. If any of you want me to squirm when we play, do this when you are white. Here is a diagram after white's 3rd move.
At this point I get very confused and concerned. I'm afraid white will take my pawn with his bishop forcing me to take his bishop with my King preventing me from castling and putting my King out in the open. So I move my Bishop in front of the pawn. What normally happens is White takes my Bishop, I take his with my pawn, which leaves a horrible hole on my King side and a huge problem for the rest of my game. Below is a diagram of this mess.
What should I do in this situation? Should I not offer to swap bishops, ignore the threat his bishop makes and just continue my planned open? Or, assuming I do as shown in the second diagram, protect the king as best as I can and then procede to make the necessary moves to castle Queen side?
Any and all thoughts would be helpful. You know you have a problem when you go to bed at night, close your eyes, and all you can see is the first diagram's position....Jake