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Lucas1009991

Rate my chess Variant Idea from 0 to 10

This is the initial position:

The Pieces are:

Super Amazon: Queen + Knight + Camel

Carriage: Wazir + Xiangqi Horse


Assistant: moves like a king but cant move straight backwards

Pawns: they move like regular pawns but always can move 2 squares foward

Elephant: moves like a Ferz and like a Alfil but White Elephants cant move past the 5th Rank and Black Elephants cant move past the 6th Rank, in the image above the Elephant on i5 cant capture the elephant on j6 or go to h6 or g7 and the elephant on j6 cant capture the elephant on i5 or go to h4, the elephant is more like a defensive piece

Emperor: King + Alibaba + Knight

The Rooks and The kings move the same as regular chess

Pawn Promotion: Pawns Promote to Emperor, Carriage, Rook and Assistant on the 10th Rank

Castling: The Rook and the king just switch places after castling, and the conditions for casting are the same as Regular Chess

Pieces Value:

Super Amazon: 15

Assistant: 2

Elephant: 2

Rook: 5

Carriage: 3

Pawn: 1

Emperor: 7

Other Rules:

Opposite Castling: you cant do castling on the same side as your oponent

Stalemate: Stalemated Player Loses

Bare Piece Rule: If a Player Loses all their Pieces except for the king then that player loses

Win/Loss: Checkmate, Stalemate, Bare Piece Rule, Resignation and win/loss on time (only in games with time control)

Draw: Threefold repetition, 50 Move Rule and Draw by Agreement

JElijahB11

I think 6

BlackHole7625_R

9.5

jackityjackjack

7

jackityjackjack

I don't like that the super amazon is so powerful, it gets to destroy everything else.

If there were actually emperors on the board, it might fix this problem, and I don't like the assistant piece either.

WilliamDuoXu

10 out of 10

Littleone12

Kinda complicated, 6/10

josephruhf
jackityjackjack wrote:

I don't like that the super amazon is so powerful, it gets to destroy everything else.

If there were actually emperors on the board, it might fix this problem, and I don't like the assistant piece either.

The king isn’t stronger to balance out the super amazon either. I don’t think Fairy Stockfish is going to give better for black than a forced mate even if same-side castling were legal.

Lucas1009991
josephruhf wrote:
jackityjackjack wrote:

I don't like that the super amazon is so powerful, it gets to destroy everything else.

If there were actually emperors on the board, it might fix this problem, and I don't like the assistant piece either.

The king isn’t stronger to balance out the super amazon either. I don’t think Fairy Stockfish is going to give better for black than a forced mate even if same-side castling were legal.

White can make a checkmate threat on the first move but can easily stop it pushing the kings pawn 1 square or by developing the super amazon (knight move) and its most likely the super amazons are just going to get traded on the first moves and all other pieces are not that strong

Arjun1516

3/10 Just a lot of overpowered pieces slapped together. It wouldn't be fun to play.

Dranyam00

6.5/10

josephruhf
Lucas1009991 wrote:
josephruhf wrote:
jackityjackjack wrote:

I don't like that the super amazon is so powerful, it gets to destroy everything else.

If there were actually emperors on the board, it might fix this problem, and I don't like the assistant piece either.

The king isn’t stronger to balance out the super amazon either. I don’t think Fairy Stockfish is going to give better for black than a forced mate even if same-side castling were legal.

White can make a checkmate threat on the first move but can easily stop it pushing the kings pawn 1 square or by developing the super amazon (knight move) and its most likely the super amazons are just going to get traded on the first moves and all other pieces are not that strong

Fool’s mate is a bad argument.

Lucas1009991
Arjun1516 wrote:

3/10 Just a lot of overpowered pieces slapped together. It wouldn't be fun to play.

Theres only one overpowered piece: the Super Amazon, and pawns cant promote to Super Amazons, the Emperor is a Piece you only can get with pawn promotion, the rook is the same as regular chess the carriage is not that strong and the elephant is weak

Lucas1009991
josephruhf wrote:
Lucas1009991 wrote:
josephruhf wrote:
jackityjackjack wrote:

I don't like that the super amazon is so powerful, it gets to destroy everything else.

If there were actually emperors on the board, it might fix this problem, and I don't like the assistant piece either.

The king isn’t stronger to balance out the super amazon either. I don’t think Fairy Stockfish is going to give better for black than a forced mate even if same-side castling were legal.

White can make a checkmate threat on the first move but can easily stop it pushing the kings pawn 1 square or by developing the super amazon (knight move) and its most likely the super amazons are just going to get traded on the first moves and all other pieces are not that strong

Fool’s mate is a bad argument.

So what if i put the pawns 1 square ahead of the other pieces to prevent Fools mate?

Arjun1516
Lucas1009991 wrote:
Arjun1516 wrote:

3/10 Just a lot of overpowered pieces slapped together. It wouldn't be fun to play.

Theres only one overpowered piece: the Super Amazon, and pawns cant promote to Super Amazons, the Emperor is a Piece you only can get with pawn promotion, the rook is the same as regular chess the carriage is not that strong and the elephant is weak

Yay but the variant is very unbalanced, added new fairy pieces that are unbalanced. The pieces are just spammed down with no apparent reason. You can't say why a piece was added and it would be not be very fun. That's why it would most likely be

Lucas1009991
Arjun1516 wrote:
Lucas1009991 wrote:
Arjun1516 wrote:

3/10 Just a lot of overpowered pieces slapped together. It wouldn't be fun to play.

Theres only one overpowered piece: the Super Amazon, and pawns cant promote to Super Amazons, the Emperor is a Piece you only can get with pawn promotion, the rook is the same as regular chess the carriage is not that strong and the elephant is weak

Yay but the variant is very unbalanced, added new fairy pieces that are unbalanced. The pieces are just spammed down with no apparent reason. You can't say why a piece was added and it would be not be very fun. That's why it would most likely be

Okay but what you want to say with “unbalanced”?

josephruhf
Lucas1009991 wrote:
josephruhf wrote:
Lucas1009991 wrote:
josephruhf wrote:
jackityjackjack wrote:

I don't like that the super amazon is so powerful, it gets to destroy everything else.

If there were actually emperors on the board, it might fix this problem, and I don't like the assistant piece either.

The king isn’t stronger to balance out the super amazon either. I don’t think Fairy Stockfish is going to give better for black than a forced mate even if same-side castling were legal.

White can make a checkmate threat on the first move but can easily stop it pushing the kings pawn 1 square or by developing the super amazon (knight move) and its most likely the super amazons are just going to get traded on the first moves and all other pieces are not that strong

Fool’s mate is a bad argument.

So what if i put the pawns 1 square ahead of the other pieces to prevent Fools mate?

The pawns can’t ever move three squares, but the super amazon can give checkmate anywhere on the board single-handed. Fool’s mate doesn’t occur in practice because a beginner intuitively understands that it starts with a bad move and that’s what makes it a bad argument.

Lucas1009991
josephruhf wrote:
Lucas1009991 wrote:
josephruhf wrote:
Lucas1009991 wrote:
josephruhf wrote:
jackityjackjack wrote:

I don't like that the super amazon is so powerful, it gets to destroy everything else.

If there were actually emperors on the board, it might fix this problem, and I don't like the assistant piece either.

The king isn’t stronger to balance out the super amazon either. I don’t think Fairy Stockfish is going to give better for black than a forced mate even if same-side castling were legal.

White can make a checkmate threat on the first move but can easily stop it pushing the kings pawn 1 square or by developing the super amazon (knight move) and its most likely the super amazons are just going to get traded on the first moves and all other pieces are not that strong

Fool’s mate is a bad argument.

So what if i put the pawns 1 square ahead of the other pieces to prevent Fools mate?

The pawns can’t ever move three squares, but the super amazon can give checkmate anywhere on the board single-handed. Fool’s mate doesn’t occur in practice because a beginner intuitively understands that it starts with a bad move and that’s what makes it a bad argument.

Okay, but what about this new starting position? theres no more fools mate

josephruhf

@Lucas1009991 “Fool’s mate” is just the shortest legal checkmate, you can’t really “eliminate” it. But it’s a red herring, an engine should not give it as best play.
Given that the super amazon is the only offensive piece with a long diagonal move, the only good center pawn openings are 1.g5 and 1.g4.

Lucas1009991
josephruhf wrote:

@Lucas1009991 “Fool’s mate” is just the shortest legal checkmate, you can’t really “eliminate” it. But it’s a red herring, an engine should not give it as best play.
Given that the super amazon is the only offensive piece with a long diagonal move, the only good center pawn openings are 1.g5 and 1.g4.

So, I think I found the real problem: this variant lacks on offensive pieces with long diagonal moves and this variant over all is not so fun, and all other pieces are too weak compared to the super amazon