Repetition of moves shouldn't be a draw in bughouse

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Repetition of moves could have the purpose of just gaining time so that the partner can stall for longer. Insufficient material shouldn't count as a draw. There should be NO draws.

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Does stalemate exist in bughouse tho? I don't think I've ever seen one

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agreed but just in bughouse. When I play not online like at a inperson bughouse tournament then it's like that, there is no 3 move repitition rule. 

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bughorse wrote:

Does stalemate exist in bughouse tho? I don't think I've ever seen one

Stalemate does not exist because you can get pieces from your partner, if you have no pieces you have to wait for them.

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wadesuess2 wrote:
bughorse wrote:

Does stalemate exist in bughouse tho? I don't think I've ever seen one

Stalemate does not exist because you can get pieces from your partner, if you have no pieces you have to wait for them.

E.g. when they are both back rank checked, and they both wait for a piece to block the check, then they don't have any legal move. I am sure this happened multiple times on accident

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DaRealestOne wrote:

no draws? then any time a player got a position in which they could repeat and a piece mates, it becomes a guaranteed win 

it shouldn't be a draw. It should be a tactic.

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bughorse wrote:
wadesuess2 wrote:
bughorse wrote:

Does stalemate exist in bughouse tho? I don't think I've ever seen one

Stalemate does not exist because you can get pieces from your partner, if you have no pieces you have to wait for them.

E.g. when they are both back rank checked, and they both wait for a piece to block the check, then they don't have any legal move. I am sure this happened multiple times on accident

doesn't the one with the clock advantage just win then?

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time gaining should be no grounds for changing a very balanced rule

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DontKno wrote:
bughorse wrote:
wadesuess2 wrote:
bughorse wrote:

Does stalemate exist in bughouse tho? I don't think I've ever seen one

Stalemate does not exist because you can get pieces from your partner, if you have no pieces you have to wait for them.

E.g. when they are both back rank checked, and they both wait for a piece to block the check, then they don't have any legal move. I am sure this happened multiple times on accident

doesn't the one with the clock advantage just win then?

No, it's one player's/team's turn, so only their time decreases. Also in regular chess, it's a draw.

edit: well, if I am not mistaken, there are 2 types of stalemates in bughouse, regarding who's turn is next

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Insufficient material, stalemate, and 50 move rule do not exist in bughouse.

On the other hand, repetition does exist, to prevent potentially infinite moving back and forth.

See wir.wz.cz/rules.htm

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i agree with riweer and gogo taco quesidalla

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Repetitions, that involves dropping definitely should not be a draw. It happened me some times that we both dropped and take pawns or bishops for a while, and we didn't even had more material to continue it when it said that it's a draw

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nah keep the pressure dont make the trades then its too OP to repeat the same drops over and over when attacking

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you could cycle with ur partner forever

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I just tricked a 2200 player with it grin.png 

i dropped bishops, he dropped pawns, that's a 1 to 2 points "trade", he thought it's fine, then KABOOM draw by repetition into his face grin.png

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I kinda feel that it's like winning by exploiting a bug (instead of winning by skill, pure luck, his blunder, his partners blunder, or my partners skill).

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no jkid has used it skillwise by making strategic drops taht led to a repition in a losing position

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I suspect the only reason that three-fold repetition results in a draw is because.....Chess.com is a bad website.  It doesn't consider the pieces in hand, which are most definitely part of the position, given that they can enter the game at any time.  If pieces are dropped, and the content of the players hands changes, then repetition should not occur.

The only draw that should occur in bug is perpetual check.  Alternatively, three-fold where no drops are involved, and the two sides are just repeating the same move over and over is also fine.

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While chess.com might be a bad website, by not implementing proper bpgn, the three-fold draw repetition -disregarding any reserve pieces- is part of the internationally recognized bughouse rules.

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Really?