Self - Partnering

I think it would be a great idea to introduce a 2nd teams game mode, where you can control both sides of the same board by teaming with yourself.

I know that it's against the rules to partner with yourself on two different browsers, but how about introducing an entire new mode where that's the point?

Personally, I find myself victim to many a player who deems their moves 'better' than mine, and sometimes these moves lose the game. Yes, they could be good moves, but more often than not (admittedly, some phenomenal moves are sometimes played), they're worse than the move I had in mind. For me, (and I'm aware that this will not be the case for all of you) I enjoy teams mode because it's a true judge of skill rather than luck, like FFA is. I don't play for the reason that I get to play with other people, because there are very few people who I enjoy playing with. The reason, as aforementioned, is because it's fairer than FFA.

So, why not introduce a game mode which reflects truly a player's skill level? I'm called upon lots and lots for "blaming other partners" when I lose a game. But usually (not always, I'll admit), I'm in a perfectly valid position to do so. To introduce a game mode where no such accusations could be made would be wonderful, especially for the people who play it for the game (as I do) rather than for the social aspect (like most people <1600 ish)

Please let me know your thoughts on this.

~Tom

I would love to have to have a partner who is very experienced with four-player chess. I have never played it before, but have always wanted to try it. I play to win and I despise draws more than I despise losing. I am like Bobby Fischer when it comes to draws. He despises draws with a passion.

@viettrekkie    Why bother then, if you DESPISE losing ….. that means if you lost you would despise your partner ?

I would have only myself to blame for losing, and that's un-American.

No support, Tom. Not at all.

Having a self-partnering mode defeats the purpose of the 4-player chess Teams being there in the first place. The Teams mode is there for a reason. If you don't feel happy with it, try FFA or the traditional 2-player chess mode instead.

With that, I'd just like to say that 4-player Teams is much more challenging to bring your rating up and up. Unless you have a solid good partner who would play with you for a very long time, do not expect to even achieve 1500 rating (at least in my opinion.) Even if one can be as skilled as a 2k player, if the teammate refuses to cooperate and gets checkmated or times out, the consequences are borne both on the 2k player and the teammate that is! 

That's the most challenging obstacle I'm willing to bear. Because Teams rating is not an individual pursuit anymore. It's a team pursuit! 

In summary, if your 4-player Teams rating is very bad, it can mean either that 1: you got into matches where opponents are far too skilled, 2: You don't wish to cooperate with your partner, 3: Your chess skill isn't just good enough.

(This is coming from a 1362 rating player in 4-player Chess FFA btw.)

Are you saying you love to lose?? If so, you are the very first person who loves to lose. I do not know anyone who loves losing at all.

@sean893

My 4 player teams rating is indeed very bad. I'm currently lying at 1700something and all of your points are completely invalid, and I'm in a perfectly good position to disprove them.

You said "Having a self-partnering mode defeats the purpose of the 4-player chess Teams being there in the first place." Well, not exactly. The purpose of 4 player teams is that there's Red and Yellow vs Blue and Green. Not that you play with other people.

You said "Unless you have a solid good partner who would play with you for a very long time, do not expect to even achieve 1500 rating" I'm above 1700. And that's crazy low for me. I used to be near 2700 before glicko happened, so you can't pull that card on me.

You said "Even if one can be as skilled as a 2k player, if the teammate refuses to cooperate and gets checkmated or times out, the consequences are borne both on the 2k player and the teammate that is! " ... PRECISELY! This is why us 2k+ players need some way to guarantee that this won't happen -  by playing all the moves ourselves.

You said " if your 4-player Teams rating is very bad, it can mean either that 1: you got into matches where opponents are far too skilled". Sometimes, yes. 90+% of the time, no. When I was at my top ranking,I was winning 14/15 games. So that's not the reason why my rating is low.

You said "2: You don't wish to cooperate with your partner". This isn't the point to be making. If I'm playing with a 1400, there's no way I'm going to co-operate with him, as I know my moves are better. S/he must cooperate with me.

You said: "3: Your chess skill isn't just good enough." Well, evidently not, seeing that I've been ranked #12 internationally before.

Sorry if this sounds like I'm having a go, but you've got the complete wrong wend of the stick here

~Tom

I don't think I would try this variant. It seems too difficult, and I doubt that my brain could keep up with the task. It would certainly be a true judge of skill, and I am afraid that the verdict would not be favourable. :-)

pairing with u r self somewhat gave u nic freedom to plan  it urself till opening and medium game but in end game it get hard sure even a weaker but need a partner to held his own defends and most common  moves that for if 2player vs  self team but if both side self team is there then both will face same difficult  and end games whould not go nic compare with normal team paring

I am willing to pair with anyone who is serious about winning the game. I play to win!!

@ viettrekkie20 play on your own then...this isn't for you !!

I like the idea. It sounds like it would be fun. A game-play comparison may be similar to the difference between bughouse and crazyhouse. Both great games.

I wouldn't actually mind if people were allowed to play both sides themselves. That's actually what's already happening if one player just blindly follows the other player's move suggestions. A player playing on his own can at most be as good as his own skill level. Two players working together and complementing each other can surpass their individual skill levels and perform at a higher level. In the end proper teamwork should win most of the time.

I tried it in the early days,  playing  team mode with 2 accounts.    It's realllly hard.    you get dizzy when  when the position becomes complicated.

yh

o wao is this the original idea