Starting Position Reverted to OLD

I really don't know why people don't like new Standard...
It is the faires of all setups. Same starting position for each color same chances for each color.

I also don't get what people mean by "New Standard is boring"... What do you mean? Are the games always the same? How? After the short teaming phase in the Opening it is Solo and Solo games are never the same and never boring.
And even the Opening isn't always the same. Because I play a different one, and I am #5 on the leaderboard. So there are other Openings possible. You can be forced into the Standard Opening if you are green, but your options are always more limited if you are the last moving player. It is even worse in Old Standard.

Maybe Omatomix is not right for Teams, I can't talk about that, because I don't know much about teams. But it is for sure the better Setup for FFA and Solo.

I think that a lot of players who are crying about New Standard are more affected by the rating change than by the new setup. Because in FFA your primary goal is to be not 4th and only your secondary goal is to be 1st. In solo only winning counts. People who played perfect teams opening, mate a player, and then go "whatever, some I win some I lose" are basically out of high elo FFA. Both strategies do not work anymore. They need new teams strats because the setup changed and also being good in teams does not mean anything in FFA anymore. And those players (or noble gases) are mad now because all they've learned over the last years is worth nothing now.

I profit from both changes because I have been a solo player ever since, and also my playstyle (King security: always castle to the right) is easier to play in Omatomix. So probably my Opinion is heavily biased.

But I don't want Omatomix because it's better for me, I want it because it is objectively the better setup. And I feel strengthened in my opinion by @neoserbian because he is one of those players like me who has always been around and always been on the top. And @neoserbian, reigning world Champ Lars and I are the only 3 players who have played all 3 solo world championships. I don't know what Lars' opinion on this topic is, but It should give you something to think about if 2 of the 3 players with the most high elo experience in the world are very strongly for Omatomix.

Cheers Michael

I really don't know why people don't like new Standard...
It is the faires of all setups. Same starting position for each color same chances for each color.

I also don't get what people mean by "New Standard is boring"... What do you mean? Are the games always the same? How? After the short teaming phase in the Opening it is Solo and Solo games are never the same and never boring.
And even the Opening isn't always the same. Because I play a different one, and I am #5 on the leaderboard. So there are other Openings possible. You can be forced into the Standard Opening if you are green, but your options are always more limited if you are the last moving player. It is even worse in Old Standard.

Maybe Omatomix is not right for Teams, I can't talk about that, because I don't know much about teams. But it is for sure the better Setup for FFA and Solo.

I think that a lot of players who are crying about New Standard are more affected by the rating change than by the new setup. Because in FFA your primary goal is to be not 4th and only your secondary goal is to be 1st. In solo only winning counts. People who played perfect teams opening, mate a player, and then go "whatever, some I win some I lose" are basically out of high elo FFA. Both strategies do not work anymore. They need new teams strats because the setup changed and also being good in teams does not mean anything in FFA anymore. And those players (or noble gases) are mad now because all they've learned over the last years is worth nothing now.

I profit from both changes because I have been a solo player ever since, and also my playstyle (King security: always castle to the right) is easier to play in Omatomix. So probably my Opinion is heavily biased.

But I don't want Omatomix because it's better for me, I want it because it is objectively the better setup. And I feel strengthened in my opinion by @neoserbian because he is one of those players like me who has always been around and always been on the top. And @neoserbian, reigning world Champ Lars and I are the only 3 players who have played all 3 solo world championships. I don't know what Lars' opinion on this topic is, but It should give you something to think about if 2 of the 3 players with the most high elo experience in the world are very strongly for Omatomix.

Cheers Michael

The old standard positron is the same boring opening everytime. After 10 moves the position looks the same in every game. With omatamix there is variation in the opening, red can open with a couple of other moves other than Kings pawn and there are even more options for the other colours. There is a problem with omatamix in that green is basically lost by force on the opening if blue does not help, but this is similar with the old setup and is more of a problem of the scoring system. Opposites must have an incentive to help each at a high level in FFA and that is to return to the old old scoring system of 2 winners and keep solo as a 2nd option.

There are a group of players who like the team mode openings and are on twitch a lot, who have quite loud voices on the forum and probably behind the scenes too. Of course if there is a vote its going to be biased, because the players happily playing omatamix are probably not looking at the forum and voting. They are playing instead!

What I hate most about the old setup is the lack of options for red. If you don't want to force team mode openings on to the game and want to start with something slower more solo like, what do you play? Any other move than h3 gives blue and green the chance to play h3 King pawn themselves and attack you, giving them the advantage. If you prepare for this and play Queens Pawn forward one square and they don't bring queen out well you just waste a move because this pawn wants to go forward, and if you play Queen pawn forward 2 and they bring the queen's out you have weakened the dark squares to much. If you push the C pawn sicilian this move is just bad vs certain lines of team mode attack. And bringing either knight out just gets attacked by rook pawn. There are no good moves for red in old setup other than h3. Which forces team mode openings and it goes round in circles until by move 15 it's the same position in every game. In omatamix red can basically play anything because they have 2 methods to play team mode openings and bring the Queen out. With h3 or with the C pawn. So red does not need to force team mode openings but can meet them easily if b/G try to force it. This is why I prefer omatamix over old setup but brsti does look interesting I have not looked at it yet though

I actually thought u would respond didn't think that quickly though. You can do better. You need to back up your statements with explanations otherwise the statements have no validity. 

And have you played any of these openings on your journey to 2950. No you have not. So shhhh

The old standard positron is the same boring opening everytime. After 10 moves the position looks the same in every game. With omatamix there is variation in the opening, red can open with a couple of other moves other than Kings pawn and there are even more options for the other colours. There is a problem with omatamix in that green is basically lost by force on the opening if blue does not help, but this is similar with the old setup and is more of a problem of the scoring system. Opposites must have an incentive to help each at a high level in FFA and that is to return to the old old scoring system of 2 winners and keep solo as a 2nd option.

There are a group of players who like the team mode openings and are on twitch a lot, who have quite loud voices on the forum and probably behind the scenes too. Of course if there is a vote its going to be biased, because the players happily playing omatamix are probably not looking at the forum and voting. They are playing instead!

What I hate most about the old setup is the lack of options for red. If you don't want to force team mode openings on to the game and want to start with something slower more solo like, what do you play? Any other move than h3 gives blue and green the chance to play h3 King pawn themselves and attack you, giving them the advantage. If you prepare for this and play Queens Pawn forward one square and they don't bring queen out well you just waste a move because this pawn wants to go forward and push for promotion in a slower game, and if you play Queen pawn forward 2 and they bring the queen's out you have weakened the dark squares to much. If you push the C pawn sicilian this move is just bad vs certain lines of team mode attack. And bringing either knight out just gets attacked by rook pawn. There are no good moves for red in old setup other than h3. Which forces team mode openings and it goes round in circles until by move 15 it's the same position in every game. In omatamix red can basically play anything because they have 2 methods to play team mode openings and bring the Queen out. With h3 or with the C pawn. So red does not need to force team mode openings but can meet them easily if b/G try to force it. This is why I prefer omatamix over old setup but brsti does look interesting I have not looked at it yet though

Justin, I have read what you have written, and you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. If you are smoking something extraordinary and see bright neon lights, please remember that sharing is caring.

For something to not be awful is not quite what I'm looking in my opening choices but thanks! Let's let you risk your big over inflated rating with it instead

@Proffeserblundermaster  of blunders 

Simply saying that someone has 'no idea what they are talking about' is not a valid argument. You have to actually explain the specifics of what i said is incorrect or what you have that is a superior way of seeing things. Sorry but no sale. 

@JustinD7 @LazyImp

The last statement was that Omatomix is boring because it is always the same. So Justin stated, that the old Standard is also always the same. And I fully agree with that. Yes there are different possibilities I play k4 and Illingworth climbed to #1 in solo with k4 but how many games do not start with h3?

And I am highly criticized for k4 because "it is so passive" so Justins statement that Old standard is repetitive and boring is at least as valid as the statement of those players who state that Omatomix is.

In high elo there is just not that much variation in the opening anymore. But that is true for every game not only 4PC. But still, no 2 games are the same and for me, it is always thrilling and entertaining no matter which setup.

So as long there is not a forced win for a player (which is basically not possible, because you can't force a win alone with 3 other players wanting to win as well) there is no problem with the starting setup being boring.

If the 3-player-stage is not entertaining enough for you, then go play teams. Maybe other setups are better for teams but for FFA/Solo Omatomix is the best setup.

@Proffeserblundermaster  of blunders 

Simply saying that someone has 'no idea what they are talking about' is not a valid argument. You have to actually explain the specifics of what i said is incorrect or what you have that is a superior way of seeing things. Sorry but no sale.