Surface Area of a Curve

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pawn_slayer666

I don't quite remember the integrals needed to find the surface area of a curve, say z=sqrt(1-x^2-y^2), the top half of the unit sphere.  I do remember the triple integrals needed to find the volume, but what was needed to find the surface areas?

Also, I don't remember the surface area for the equation p=1, in spherical coordinates, so knowing that would also help, thanks!

Likewise for cylindrical coordinates.

Thijs

For the most general calculation of the surface area of an arbitrary potato-shaped object, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arc_length. Basically it says that to get the length of a function f(x) on the interval [a,b], you use approximations by calculating the length of straight lines between f(x_k) and f(x_(k+1)) for k = 0, ..., n-1 with x_0 = a and x_n = b, and then you let n -> infinity to get better and better approximations. So using the right integrals this method will give you the surface area of anything, as long as you know the shape of the object.

In case of spheres or circles with radius r, surface area S(r) and volume V(r), things are easy and S(r) = V'(r). So since the volume of a sphere is 4/3 pi r^3, the surface area is 4 pi r^2. Half a sphere would thus have a surface area of 2 pi r^2. And a circle has "volume" (surface area) pi r^2, so the "surface area" (circumference) is 2 pi r.

pawn_slayer666

Suppose I wanted to find the surface area of the curve bounded by z=x^2+y^2, z=0, and z=2, without using the formula for a 2-Dimensional rotation?  What would I do then?

Elroch

Surface area of a curve = 0. But you mean the surface area of a certain surface (i.e. something which looks locally like the 2-dimensional plane).

pawn_slayer666

Yeah, I meant surface, sorry.

milanc

My math is sort of rusty, and I am not sure what exactly you meant with "formula for a 2-Dimensional rotation", but here is one approach for your z=x^2+y^2 surface area:

You can say that the circumference at any given z is: c(z)=2 * pi * z

Surface area of a small ring with the height of dz would be:

dA = c(z)*dz

Surface area would be:


A = Integral[0,2] (c(z) dz) = Integral[0,2](2*pi*z dz) = (4*pi*z^2)[0,2] = 16*pi

milanc

I think there is a mistake above:

circumference at any given z is c(z) = 2 * pi * sqrt(z)

A = integral[0,2] (c(z) dz) = integral[0,2](2 * pi * z^(1/2)) = 2 * pi * 2/3 z^(3/2)[0,2]= 8*pi*sqrt(2)/3

hope I got it right this time, but I guess you see the point...

pawn_slayer666

Yeah, but using 2*pi*r assumes the curve is composed of circles.  What if it were something like cylinder x^2+y^2=1 and plane x+y+z=1, the area of the part of the plane within the cylinder.  I know its an eclipse, but is there a way to do it without using 1/2*r[1]*r[2]?  Is it possible to do it without that formula?

Wakarimasen

This surface can be constructed by revolving the curve x^2+y^2=r^2 between -r and r about the x-axis.  The equation for the surface of revolution is given by

          / b
2*pi*| y*sqrt(1+(dy/dx)^2 dx
        /a

dy/dx can be solved using implicit differentiation

 

x^2+y^2 = r^2
2*x+2*y*dy/dx = 0
dy/dx = -x/y
(dy/dx)^2 = x^2/y^2

Substituting into our surface of revolution equation yields

          / r
2*pi*| y*sqrt(1+x^2/y^2)  dx
      / -r

sqrt(1+x^2/y^2) = sqrt((y^2+x^2)/y^2) = sqrt(r^2/y^2) = r/y
Substituting back into the integral expression yields
            / r
2*pi*r |dx = 2*pi*r*(r-(-r)) = 4*pi*r^2
         / -r
So the surface of a sphere of radius r is 4*pi*r^2.