That was not fair

The first 3 qualifiers were done on the test server. Abnormal for many reasons (and the Championship obviously should've been postponed because of the main server instability until it's been solved...). Many players under 1500 took part, etc. but well, that was the director decision, I won't discuss it even if it was very questionable in fact. Whatever.

But as for qualifier 4, it was moved back to the main server and it was announced that only 2200+ players, and players with accounts older than 1st of May 2022 would take part, etc., cf. the rules. AND: the director didn't respect the rules that himself has decided. That's definitely unpleasant. Because many games (because of too many noobs involved) were in fact very fast and gave free points to some lucky players. Whereas I could only play 6 games of which only 4 serious, and could only win three times, stuck in long games against very strong players. As a result, finished very modestly 5th. 

I believe that is very unfair.
I'm happy for MoreMao, but in most games he played there were several 1600, 1700 players; it is obviously much easier to win like that than when you have only 2500+ players in front. It's about TIME also: when you have strong players, the 2nd stage of the three is often very long and you spend 30 min. of your precious time with no result. Whereas other players by simple luck have time to play many times and gather enough points to qualify. Rather frustrating.

As I told already many times here, the result should be only due to the skills of the players involved, not to simple luck (how many noobs you have around the board and how they are distributed around). Look, Rojitto, Radon, Jbolea, Empty, ChaCha couldn't qualify so far no finish in top 3 for some of them, it clearly shows we have a problem. The result should be logical, not a lottery. 

I understand u are not happy about this. But can you please be more clear? U say it was easy for me cause in your opinion most of the games I was facing low rated players. And thereafter u mention a list of good players who havent clasify because they have faced low rated players.

I have been asking for support to certains players and admins cause I want to organize the Second We Are All FFA: which is thought as an alternative to these tournaments, in the sense that, like the previous one, it would invite low and high rated players, as an inclusive tournament.

Whatever, who cares.

He didnt mention my name.

even though I'm 3000

They will qualify, just wait.

Once I faced you, Darksquare. In other game I played against Radon and LazyImp, other one Empty K3, then against him, Indipendenza. I think I can say it was not easy for me.

Exactly, what he is saying is ridiculous. It is sometimes difficult to beat players under 2000 if they are decent at 2pc. Sure, there is some luck in these arenas, but the game 4pc has a fair amount of luck itself. Almost all the games I won were 2400+ or more. You, and everyone else, fully deserve the qualification.

thanks, Dark

I played 1 game (1900 nub)
The player to my left was good and set up an elaborate mate on my opp that would have been successful but his opp was a total nub and missed it, letting lhs player's queen die. LHS resigns, RHS nub who has basically no pieces left joins with my opp and they just manage to take me down. Best player came first, nub second, me third, second best player came last. 
I imagine that can be quite frustrating, but I presume the best players will still qualify. 

I hate to say it but - I told you this was going to happen. If you don't believe me - read my post in the discussion of the announcement of this Championship. And then accuse me of having no idea what I’m talking about and talking nonsense.

Yes, Moremao definitely deserves to qualify for the Championship. He is old school, he understands this game very well and he is one of the legends.

Yasmin - he also qualified for the Championship last year and it is certainly no coincidence that he is here again (I only blame him for not playing this game all year, but only now)

Tipicalmove - I can't comment him because I don't think we've ever played.

But many great players are still not in the Championship, although they deserve to be on it, and it will be a great injustice if they do not qualify, that is, if they are unlucky. (I see how much Rojitto is struggling and a man deserves to be in the Championship and without qualifications)

In the end, even though I was the first to qualify (read - I was lucky) I am still very much against such qualifications and such Arenas, but I have to respect Luke decision because without him I don't believe there would be a Championship - it's just up to me to try to point him to things I don't think are good!

For those who won't to search for my post where I criticized this way of qualifying - I will copy it here. So tell me what you think about it NOW!

"...

A few suggestions from someone who has participated in all previous Championships:

1. Arenas should last 24 hours (so they will be available to everyone);

2. limiting to 5 or 7 games per Arena (give priority to quality, not quantity);

3. points are not awarded as before - 2 for winning plus 2 for winning in a row - it is much better and fairer to give the winner points according to the formula: the sum of all 4 ratings divided by 4 = the number of points. (victory over 3 strong players and 3 beginners cannot be scored in the same way)

4. The semifinals must be based on 3 games won! No less !!! Finals on 4. Everything below that is not serious. Believe me, this is very important from several aspects (I don't want to bother you with explanations, the post is too long anyway).

All these suggestions are the product of long thinking ... I still have a lot of ideas about all this, but we are late this year for most of them. I hope you will consider at least some of these proposals."

S noozing L oosing

Have you played a single game in these arenas?

Yup. And the worst part about it is that high rated games usually have long 3 player stages, so the players with the most games played (and often because of that, the most points) usually were playing low rated players. Neoserbian's idea (24 hours, 5 game limit) is good, but I think a modification (6 hours, 5 games) would be better, so as to have tournaments going on at all hours on a qualification day with still 4 tournaments. The schedule could still be the same. 24 hour tournaments could also cause issues with time zones, you can have 2 tournaments that start at the same time and have players on opposite sides of the world. 6 hour tournaments should limit that.

Well, come on, against me it was easy for you , you're 2802, I'm currently 2430 and have been maximum 2620, never more.

STOP, by no means I've ever said that ANY of the 4 qualified didn't deserve to be. 

The point was totally elsewhere: it was about the statistical relevance of the outcome.

If people are not put in the same conditions, it is not fair.

If luck plays any role and skills are not enough, it is not fair.

If the leaders fail to qualify simply because of the format of the event, something is wrong.

I DO remember extremely well, you and I were the only ones clamantis in deserto!!!

ABSOLUTELY, 100% !!!

It's all about the time factor. It is pretty clear that high quality games are often much longer than low level ones. And you're stuck in long games precisely being with players against whom you have per construction much less chances to win! Double injustice. Whereas some other players may be simply lucky to have a strong opp in front and 2 noobs as sides and win in 10 min. and pass to the next ones.

I don't see where in stats and game archive I can see the duration of the games, but I suspect that this factor played a huge role in the outcome.

Just an example. Have just WASTED 30 min. exactly on a game where the opp (certainly in the area 2200-2250) simply prevented me from expanding and promoting, ate my pawns and figures, did all he could to make me lose. YES that happens, and noobs who do not understand FFA are numerous, and yes anybody can have opps like that. BUT if you lose 30 min. of the 2 hours given like that, it is not fair because some other players are sometimes luckier not to be in such situations and thus gather much more points. Unfair.