The Emperor's New Mind

Well, it's still unjustifiably vain to suppose a device which is nothing more than a network of unreliable analog processors that has evolved by the forces of evolution will be intrinsically superior to a computer, unless being unreliable is considered a virtue.

If Penrose's argument applies to anything, it might be the intellectual achievements of life as a whole (perhaps every descendent of humans). Even then it could run into problems with the finite processing capacity of the Universe (presuming this is true).

Elroch, it's unclear to me which post you're replying to.  Given the timing, it seems like you're replying to mine, but it also seems like we're arguing the same side. 

we think the way we do for a purpoise. there is no right or wrong, the way i look at it that everything is born from what has been part of its own situation originally. 

there is a beginning and an end.

the beginning balance with the end...so one can say that the one is the other.

the process between the beginning and end is the "conciousness" that put everything back together.

eventually our conciousness will form part of a greater conciousness, and so on, untill we all form the end/beginnig. 

perhaps the lost particle will set it off, to create another conciousness that will figure it all out, once we look past the boundaries we set ourselves.