The Hypermodern Sicilian (4pc teams opening theory)

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Timalina2

*Please note this opening is best suitable for players who have a 1700+ rating.

For a normal game, the Sicilian is one of the most common openings. In four-player chess, there is a similar move. It may seem similar, but the effect is different. The lines are very hard to remember so don't stick to this opening if you are versing a high rated player. 


Most commonly red starts with h3. Then blue moves d6. The point of this move is that when the red queen moves out then the blue queen can take reds f pawn. Then yellow moves h11 (There are a lot of moves that are possible but we will focus on this one). If yellow had moved h12 then there will be less flexibility for the queen. Then green will move l9. Now the smartest move is just moving the queen out to either J4 or K5. If blue takes, the F pawns with the queen, then simply yellow will take the b7 pawn with his bishop which is checked. This results in a queen. Because even 2000+ plus players fall for this I will explain the line (not the worst disadvantage for blue and green). Then green has to move Qm8 to protect the queen and then Nd3 to attack the queen. The past 4 moves are shown here:


Next blue will take the bishop with his bishop (Bxb7). This allows the bishop to attack the red queen and has the advantage of moving the rook out (In other words a chance). Yellow moves I12 this move allows yellow to attack the green queen.  Then green moves his queen to h4 (Qh4). Now there are a lot of other lines. I will not explain it here. Put in the forums topic what you would play.


Here is the moves and link to this opening theory. 

[Variant "Teams"]
[RuleVariants "EnPassant"]
[CurrentMove "12"]

1. h2-h3 .. b6-d6 .. h13-h11 .. m9-l9
2. Qg1-j4 .. Qa7xf2 .. Bi14xb7+ .. Qn8-m9
3. Ne1-d3 .. Ba6xBb7 .. i13-i12 .. Qm9-h4

Here is the link: Sadly I put it on a board for analysing (not a game) so there isn't a link. 


Want to learn more, write in the forums if you want to. I will expand this opening theory (go on with the lines or if 5-10 people want to learn more. I also want to learn more about teams (I am a 1700+ nearly 1800 dew to bad partners). I will keep posting opening lines. 

Ps: Here is a fact. This opening was played in the 4pc team's world chess championship. (I watch them play it but now I can't find it sad.png)

Pss: This is mainly made for BG but also can help RY

ninjaswat

Diagrams since 99% of people probably can't visualize this..?

Green_Sleeves

Yes, that would be helpful.

This looks like it will be interesting!

Timalina2

i will when I finish

Green_Sleeves

Now, this is all in Old Standard, not New Standard, right?

Green_Sleeves

Got it.

Green_Sleeves
JkCheeseChess wrote:

As an experienced 2500+ player, I can confidently say that while h11 is one of the better lines against sicilian, Qj4 and Qk5 are not the best continuations because of a simple line like this:

1. h2-h3 .. b6-d6 .. h13-h11 .. m9-l9
2. Qg1-k5 .. Qa7xf2 .. Bi14xb7+ .. m10-l10
3. Qk5-f5 .. Ba6xBb7 .. Qh14-h12 .. Qn8-m9
4. Qf5xQf2 .. Bb7-h13+ .. Qh12xBh13 .. Qm9xQf2

...that easily refutes the earlier queen win and wins the queen back. The best 2nd move is Nd3 (in my opinion), which sets up an attack on blue. There is, however, a very complicated line which refutes this too, provided RY play normally and don't know how to defend against the refutation, etc. Confusing stuff

Confusing stuff indeed. That would make for a pretty bizarre game, especially considering that Green can move Qf2xQf1.

ninjaswat
Green_Sleeves wrote:

Got it.

Wait you do?! I don't...lol...

Green_Sleeves
ninjaswat wrote:
Green_Sleeves wrote:

Got it.

Wait you do?! I don't...lol...

Just that this thread is discussing theory for games in Standard setup, and not the new Omatamix setup that's in trial right now and will probably become New Standard.

Timalina2
JkCheeseChess wrote:

As an experienced 2500+ player, I can confidently say that while h11 is one of the better lines against sicilian, Qj4 and Qk5 are not the best continuations because of a simple line like this:

1. h2-h3 .. b6-d6 .. h13-h11 .. m9-l9
2. Qg1-k5 .. Qa7xf2 .. Bi14xb7+ .. m10-l10
3. Qk5-f5 .. Ba6xBb7 .. Qh14-h12 .. Qn8-m9
4. Qf5xQf2 .. Bb7-h13+ .. Qh12xBh13 .. Qm9xQf2

...that easily refutes the earlier queen win and wins the queen back. The best 2nd move is Nd3 (in my opinion), which sets up an attack on blue. There is, however, a very complicated line which refutes this too, provided RY play normally and don't know how to defend against the refutation, etc. Confusing stuff

BTW I learnt this in a youtube vid

Timalina2

I think its a different line - I remember watching it in the 4pc teams world championship

Timalina2

@fourplayerchess can you remember which 4pc teams world championship they played in. (You were committing and even said they were play the Sicilian)

Green_Sleeves

I just read this! Very informative.

EvidentRoad

this is why i play standard XD. i am way to dumb for this.

Timalina2

XD

GDII
JkCheeseChess wrote:

1. h2-h3 .. b6-d6 .. h13-h11 .. m9-l9
2. Qg1-k5 .. Qa7xf2 .. Bi14xb7+ .. m10-l10
3. Qk5-f5 .. Ba6xBb7 .. Qh14-h12 .. Qn8-m9
4. Qf5xQf2 .. Bb7-h13+ .. Qh12xBh13 .. Qm9xQf2

3.y g12 Qm9 Qxf2 Bxg12 Bl8

GDII

@JkCheeseChess Why post the same line again? Qh12 is clearly not the best move happy.png

GDII

It's not that simple. You need to look a little further, e.g. in the first line, 4.y fxg12 Qxk5 Bh2 Nc9 i12

GDII

In many cases it's not really an issue for red to leave f2 hanging. Blue should probably not take, unless there is some concrete follow-up or pressure against red. Otherwise it just gives red an open file for easy rook development later on. If green takes f2, you can simply play Nf3, since the queen battery with green's queen in front doesn't actually threaten anything.

harij0

imo i think that old standard is way more complicated than new standard and this is one of the reasons why.