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ajbanks3011

Hi everyone! I am an 1846 in Blitz right now, and play masters all the time with a rating similar or sometimes even worse than mine.  How can I achieve a master title like the people with ratings like mine. Is it easier through USCF of FIDE? Any thoughts would be welcome.  

sndeww

uscf would be easier assuming you live in the US like your flag. You could get NM. Although I don't know how you're getting titled players "all the time" with a rating of 1800 blitz? 

I'm around 2200 blitz and I only get to face titled players around 20% of the time.

Jack_Kern

he's not 

ajbanks3011

Not all the time...but I see enough with my rating possible, and was just wondering how it was most easily done

sndeww

well you'd have to get 2200 uscf for NM. And chances are the titled players you face are the ones not at the top of their game 

I've seen strong NMs go up to 2600 online... example new NM @rychessmaster1

ajbanks3011

So 2200 USCF? Couldnt it also depend on your area? If the people in your area are weak...then you beat everyone to get to 2200 easy?

sndeww
ajbanks3011 hat geschrieben:

So 2200 USCF? Couldnt it also depend on your area? If the people in your area are weak...then you beat everyone to get to 2200 easy?

not necessarily. If they become all around 1700-1800 level even if you win all your games you might lose rating.

sndeww

I'm not sure on the specifics, you'd have to ask @martin_stahl about that

mcmodern

There are 1700-1800 cm or even fms for winning some tourneys . There could also be old retired players, they don't take away your title just because you are old. Most of the titled players I have faced on chess.com are in the 2200-2300 fide range (note, 2200 fms are no longer at the top of their game).

jetoba
ajbanks3011 wrote:

So 2200 USCF? Couldnt it also depend on your area? If the people in your area are weak...then you beat everyone to get to 2200 easy?

If the players in your area are weak then they are not 2200+ strength and probably not 2200+ rated.  Except for possible isolated pockets there is a fair amount of first/second/third-hand interaction that areas do not 1800+ players overrated by more than 100 points.  In those areas you might be able to play in only local events at a level slightly better than a normal 2100, and thus be able to inch your way to 2200, but it would often be faster to study and play in large open tournament to get your actual strength over 2200 and then play tournaments to get your rating over 2200.  Because of the lower amount you can pick up (per game) when playing significantly lower-rated players (and the decimalization of the US Chess rating calculation) the days are long gone when somebody could crush a first-round opponent and withdraw while expecting to gain a point per tournament (not it might be 1/50th of a point)

jenyes

Former USCF TD here. I don't think anyone has mentioned that you also need master norms with FIDE and the USCF just like the GM title. Its not just the rating qualification. Also, to date, I'm pretty sure that all titles require over-the-board play, adding a different dynamic. Online play won't work.

ajbanks3011

I think norms are only for IM and GM. 

mcfrazier

No, the former USCF Tournament Director is (not surprisingly) correct. Norms are required for Master titles as well. See The U.S. Chess Title System for more info.

jetoba
jenyes wrote:

Former USCF TD here. I don't think anyone has mentioned that you also need master norms with FIDE and the USCF just like the GM title. Its not just the rating qualification. Also, to date, I'm pretty sure that all titles require over-the-board play, adding a different dynamic. Online play won't work.

In US Chess (rebranded from USCF) the titles are only for on-line play and NM is a rating based title.  Norms are needed for LM (Life Master) and you have to have already achieved the NM title before it is given.  OLM (the Original Life Master title) is awarded if you have 300+ games with a 2200+ rating.  In FIDE CM, FM, WCM and WFM are ratings-based titles (the rating requirement is reduced if you perform well in certain tournaments but they do not normally require norms).

Edit:  I meant over-the-board, not on-line, and also has to be regular-time-control rated (at least thirty minutes per player when assuming a game of at least 60 moves and assuming all of the per-move delay or increment is added in.

Typewriter44

You don't get titles from playing 3+0 blitz.

jetoba
MuffinTime26 wrote:

to my understanding, you have to play OTB tournaments, which are rare in today's world.

 

FIDE IM/GM/WIM/WGM titles require good results in applicable OTB events (for either norms or for direct titles).  In the US the National Open might be OTB and we are wondering when CCA will start holding OTB events again (a lot of FIDE norms for both players and arbiters come from CCA events).  Any FIDE-rated OTB event can help someone reach the rating minimum for FIDE's FM/CM/WFM/WCM titles and any US Chess OTB event can help someone reach NM (National Master) or get a norm for LM (Life Master).

Note when I use the term any event that is really almost any event but you still need your opponents to be rated high enough for a perfect score to be enough for a norm (and even higher rated for less than perfect scores).

Silverarrow115
jenyes wrote:

Former USCF TD here. I don't think anyone has mentioned that you also need master norms with FIDE and the USCF just like the GM title. Its not just the rating qualification. Also, to date, I'm pretty sure that all titles require over-the-board play, adding a different dynamic. Online play won't work.

Am I right in assuming that the over-the-board play also has to be at classical time control for a title?

jetoba
Silverarrow115 wrote:
jenyes wrote:

Former USCF TD here. I don't think anyone has mentioned that you also need master norms with FIDE and the USCF just like the GM title. Its not just the rating qualification. Also, to date, I'm pretty sure that all titles require over-the-board play, adding a different dynamic. Online play won't work.

Am I right in assuming that the over-the-board play also has to be at classical time control for a title?

Yes,

For US Chess: has to be regular-time-control rated (at least thirty minutes per player when assuming a game of at least 60 moves and assuming all of the per-move delay or increment is added in.  FIDE wants a 40/90+30, SD/30+30 time control.

Silverarrow115

Thanks jetoba! 

jaguar_ninja

There are probably also NM's of 2200 strength that might be new to chess.com and not pushed their online rating to their skill, or try experimental openings they wouldn't in OTB, or maybe just 1800 blitz tactics skill level who think deeper and positionally in OTB.