To betray too early means 3rd place in 95% of cases

@Indipendenza I no longer play Rapid FFA since they turned it into Solo.  Making it Solo does not prevent players from throwing, and the overall quality of players and level of play has dramatically decreased since the merge. 

Yes, that's absolutely true. Unfortunately. I hope one day we'll recover from that.

just shush

indipendenza clearly knows more than you; and I know how checkmating your opposite in the 4 player stage is an automatic '3rd place' in most cases, and it has been PROVEN many times. You are just overexaggerating and making him look like he's bad at this when in fact he isnt. Also ChessMasterGS is only rated 2679. Compare that to Indipendenza's all time high of greater than 2650. I'm not sure what his exact all time high was, but his skill is about the same as GS's skill.

ChessMasterGS also calls people idiots, when their opposite plays badly. That is the same for Indipendenza. So stop being so exaggerative and say some more truth.

Play-banned, I'm not sure what your point of writing this is:

None of us are mad about this anymore, it was 2 full days ago;

What's more, we were talking about BLITZ, not rapid. So YT4PC has more of an argument than if he was referring to rapid. Not that it matters, it's not a big deal at this point in time.

It's very kind indeed, but NOT TRUE. My all time high was indeed something like 2660-2670, but my normal force is probably around 2550 instead, and NO, I'm not same force as GS yet. One day certainly. I have still to progress (a lot).

Message received. 

There is also one other thing. This guy CHECKMATED his opposite in the 4 player stage and YET CAME OUT 1st. How could that have happened? https://www.chess.com/clubs/forum/view/best-game-ever-14?page=1 and also https://www.chess.com/variants/4-player-chess/game/30080655 

a) I was speaking about normal, reasonably high-rated games, OF COURSE. The game quoted just above involved, outside of YouTubeplayer, 3 players rated 2000 only, i.e. very weak players. Not a relevant example at all.

b) there is NO THEORY, just an empirical constatation of a FACT. Just a practical conclusion after 15000+ games my side.

c) I was always speaking about 95%, not 100%. THERE ARE INDEED EXCEPTIONS and I explained why this can happen indeed, above, in several messages (so if someone is patient enough, he/she can find easily in this thread). All depends in fact on the experience and level of the players involved, and the circumstances. Also, when a 2800+ player betrays in the 1st stage, he/she usually knows what he/she does and usually the outcome is correct eventually for him/her. (Usually it's because these players don't like the way the opposite player opened or played, and/or they already know him/her well and do not trust etc., whatever).

I was mainly speaking about neutral, "normal", average circumstances, to make a statistically relevant conclusion, that is by no means a general "law".

Who cares about the 2nd place?! There is no 2nd place. It's the main loser (i.e. someone who could've won but didn't).

so I didn't even know this forum post existed until yesterday, by then already almost 200 posts lol

can someone TL;DR for me, before I come back from school and read the whole thing

If you attack your opposite in the 4 player stage, you'll end up 3rd 95% of the time.  This is a proven scientific fact. 

ah but that was bullet i remember the post where checkmating your opposite in the 4 player stage in bullet isn't as big as a deal, and its more probable to get 1st in bullet by betraying your opposite than in rapid

Yes, true.

In some rather very seldom cases (in fact, when one of the sides is not high level) you're betrayed by your opp, but still manage to win and make him or her 4th. Sincerely very pleasant. But very rare. (Unfortunately, in probably 90% of cases you are 4th or maximum 3rd after a betrayal in the 1st stage FFA).

Here the guy eats my queen, whereas he and I had much less material and it was 100% obvious that I put it there absolutely on purpose, in order to help him (and me) to attack and presumably weaken or even eliminate the strongest of the sides (strongest in material, not in level of course). Instead of checking with my help, etc. he eats the Q. I thought then I would be 4th, and with 2500+ sides I would've been 4th for sure. 

https://www.chess.com/variants/4-player-chess/game/30172449

@Indipendenza you gotta learn NOT to trust your opposite, until they give you a reason to trust them, especially when they're 1500. 

YES, 100%.

(Once I'm back to 2500+, I won't play with players under 2300 and this will solve the issue).

once i get to 2500 (if ever), i'll quit ffa

Yep, it was very silly; I remember about this game. Had had maybe 5-6 normal (HL) games in a row, and played somewhat "automatically", "as usual". It was of course stupid.

so what? '2 full days ago'-:nerd:

10 days now : P

Maybe it’s wise to not get offended by everything you see on forums especially when it’s not targeted towards you… good practice for real life